Eddie’s One Man Dugout Wonderboys vs. Fag Ash Lil’s Wall Pushing Disappointments.

[Renton 23705]

On my way back home.Most.gutted I have felt for a long time. Just knew our failure to convert our chances would hurt us. And there we go, two identikit Nunez goals and we lose. I thought we were poor all match tbh, can barely remember Bruno do anything good all match. Pope looked like he had PTSD. Nearly everyone else below par, except Gordon, who was subbed. Shite.

[Billy Whitehurst 1004]

Also, if someone could abuse Si Lloyd on Twitter for me, I’d appreciate it. He has blocked me for calling him a fat boring cunt after his post match comments.

 

He’s one of the sports washing bores if you needed any more motivation.

[aimaad22 4691]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

On my way back home.Most.gutted I have felt for a long time. Just knew our failure to convert our chances would hurt us. And there we go, two identikit Nunez goals and we lose. I thought we were poor all match tbh, can barely remember Bruno do anything good all match. Pope looked like he had PTSD. Nearly everyone else below par, except Gordon, who was subbed. Shite.

 

I think Bruno did well without being spectacular, until that gaffe at the end. Which is becoming a regular story. 

 

Big test for Howe now, to get the lads dusted off after this and get them going for Brighton who'll also be looking to bounce back. 

 

I hope Botman is okay, or we are truly screwed. 

[Dougle 3685]

9 minutes ago, Howay said:

Aye

https://x.com/espnfc/status/1695854003576254550?s=46&t=ytLiTTx5wmuNZJztyLjiJg

 

 

 

 

aye  (for anyone who doesnt have twiXXer)

 

 

[wykikitoon 22917]

It looked like Botman had an ice pack on his thigh 

[wykikitoon 22917]

Just now, Dougle said:

 

 

aye  (for anyone who doesnt have twiXXer)

 

 

I mean tbf Klopp has every right and will be loving it. 

[aimaad22 4691]

The subs could really have been down to fitness. Which is probably why Almiron plays so much. 

[Renton 23705]

7 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Eventually, we are going to go past Liverpool - nothing Klopp and his oversized gnashers can do about it. This really did remind me of the Newcastle of old, and it sucks but weirdly enough I think Andros Townsend made a decent point in the post-match. He noted that last season we would have shithoused the end of this game specifically to avoid this outcome, whereas this season we seemed to back ourselves to get a second.

 

So maybe this is partially the consequence of trying to realise ourselves as a stronger team in the end. It hurts tbf but this game matters a great fucking deal to Liverpool because us succeeding means them becoming upper midtable nothings.

 

We'll get there. Lots to learn from, but for my two cents this looked like a game where a shock result was achieved by an underdog, not a routine and expected victory for the better club.

 

We shouldn't have needed to shithouse though. We had an hour with a goal and Man advantage l, and still lost. Something was well off today. We needed to be ruthless but just couldn't do it. And now it's Klopp 11 Howe 0. 

[Howay 12496]

11 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

I honestly think his performance today wasn’t as bad as most people are saying. But he is the easiest target. Of course, he does miss too many sitters, but his overall play was quite decent and he was also unlucky not to score with other chances. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t have started with someone else on the right wing or that Almiron shouldn’t have gone off instead of barnes.

 

Other players were equally hit and miss today though or even worse. Isak probably had his worst game playing for us. Schär couldn’t deliver long balls tk our players. Joelinton was lucky not to get booked and his finishing was poor too. Bruno was struggling in midfield, Tonali lost some easy balls too. 
 

I think the whole team just was lacking confidence today and it doesn’t just come down to single players or the management. It will be diwn to how we react to this though when we play BHA and against those “easier” team. Maybe the team got a bit brainwashed by how we hammered Aston Villa.

I do agree many were poor today, Bruno for example dropped a number of clangers one which ultimately led to the winner. 
 

I agree it isn’t about single players, but Almiron is letting us down a ton and as I mention it’s been this way for most of 2023. I disagree he was decent even outside of his poor shooting, there were numerous times he was in good positions with the ball and completely fucked the pass up, his over hit pass to Longstaff who had broke down the right and the time he was clear in behind the Liverpool line in the first half and ultimately didn’t even manage to create a half chance. As I say he’s not the only reason for the result today but the way he consistently ruins our attacking moves is really becoming an issue, it made our CL push tighter than it needed to be last season at the end, and it’s been partly to blame for these last two (thankfully we clobbered Villa as he was rubbish in that one as well). The difference with all the other players mentioned is they’re capable of more, whereas Almiron is always this way unless he scores, he had been for years before that 4 month purple patch and has resorted to type since. His work rate is brilliant and he has aspects to his game that would have me keep him in the squad but he needs to lose this undroppable position Howe has him in now. 
 

Agree that the response is important. Hopefully Howe learns from those horrendous sub choices, and I do think now these two are out the way we can start to play our way rather than seeming nervous. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Howay

[aimaad22 4691]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

I mean tbf Klopp has every right and will be loving it. 

 Was Tindall complaining about something? Klopp was going mad at the dismissal which I think is when Tindall did that. 

[Rayvin 5926]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

We shouldn't have needed to shithouse though. We had an hour with a goal and Man advantage l, and still lost. Something was well off today. We needed to be ruthless but just couldn't do it. And now it's Klopp 11 Howe 0. 

 

Right, but apparently we've not quite worked out how to unlock elite level teams who are playing us as if we're an equal. 

[Gemmill 50011]

On the plus side, our first 11 defence and midfield is better than theirs after three transfer windows worth of progress. Their front line has got ours chinned though and that's what cost us the game today.

 

A couple more transfer windows and these will be in the rear view mirror.

[wykikitoon 22917]

Isak again whilst he got them their red didnt have anything again. 

[OTF 8420]

8 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

Big test for Howe now, to get the lads dusted off after this and get them going for Brighton who'll also be looking to bounce back.

[trophyshy 7333]

Another tough fixture.  Who’s doing the thread?  I think we need new blood.   

[Dougle 3685]

This hurt like. Fucking hurt.

We can’t even blame VAR shite either (well maybe a bit).

“Know your place Newcastle” is how this felt.

Our naivety was fully exposed by a cunt of a team with a cunt of a manager.

[Howay 12496]

12 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

I mean tbf Klopp has every right and will be loving it. 

Haha to a degree. It’s kind of a shit look to do it when you’ve been whinging and acting like a fucking baby all game mind. If he’d been calm and measured then hit Tindall with that I’d agree. 

[Renton 23705]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

On the plus side, our first 11 defence and midfield is better than theirs after three transfer windows worth of progress. Their front line has got ours chinned though and that's what cost us the game today.

 

A couple more transfer windows and these will be in the rear view mirror.

 

Aye, that's about it I suppose. 

No secret I like Liverpool as a city but fuck me it was painful today with their fans. Fucking quiet as owt until they scored in the last 10 minutes. I genuinely believe that in the last season and a half we've been the better side but they're just clinical inbtheir finishing whereas we are unbelievably wasteful.

[Howmanheyman 36641]

Naivety, bad subs and bad decision making on the pitch have cost us that. Plus a lack of quality in some areas. 

[wykikitoon 22917]

Even the wife said 'he comes across as a right wanker' that's my girl 

[Isegrim 10365]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

Isak again whilst he got them their red didnt have anything again. 

That’s why I do hate to blame single players for a result if not for costly mistakes. Isak was probably our worst player but our result wasn’t down to the poor game from a single player but a poor team performance. And I still do think that Almiron (with all his obvious faults) does get unfairly blamed when things aren’t going our way collectively.

 

 I do understand frustration but there should always be some reasonable perspective.

 

Onwards and upwards tbh

[ThatGinolaVolley 144]

FFS. Fucking liverpool. Nunez as well, he can’t hit a barn door except against us.
 

Howe is too predictable, everyone knows what the starting lineup is going to be, and knows gordon will come off for barnes and isak will come off for wilson, no matter what the state of the game. Still the best manager since Robson, but don’t feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt atm!

 

Need a solution for that right hand side when almiron is off form, not sure if it’s murphy but it needs to be something.

[Polarboy 2317]

Howe isn't as good as Pep and Klopp tactically, but who is. And it might be harsh given he was unfortunate not to score, but Almiron's limitations are always going to be a weakness in our side. Too many attacks break down because of his poor decision making and limitations on the ball. As people have said we need another two or three quality players in attack. More specifically we need a creative player who can get on the ball when the opposition has parked the bus, and who can play accurate and intricate balls through the lines. I honestly think we would have won the game the if they hadn't had a man sent off. Playing against ten seemed to unsettle our game plan, and Howe couldn't adjust, although we can't put all the blame on Howe given the players profligacy in front of goal. 

[wykikitoon 22917]

Absolutely this

 

 

[Gemmill 50011]

Aye Howe will be reflective enough to know that he made mistakes today, and he'll not make them again. Which you can't say for a lot of managers.