RobElliott 1485 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 9 minutes ago, aimaad22 said: Aye by all accounts Tonali was supposed to be box to box with tons of energy. Certainly saw evidence of it the little he did play. Surprisingly pacey too. Wonder what sort of state he'll be in after a year of not playing. Been in spoons a fair bit I hear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I think Hall was/will be signed with a view to the future (mind blowing I know). I think him and Livramento are with a view to a different system in mind than we have currently. Mainly due to Schar’s lack of pace. Long term I expect hall and tino to be attacking fullbacks, again mind blowing. With Sven, a faster player alongside him, Bruno/a n other sitting deep, it allows us to have three at the back centrally rather than from a wide position. Gives us more threat from wide (deep) and the wingers can get more central and hopefully score more goals allowing isak to drop deeper where he is immense. But I am just an overweight 39 year smoggy, I don’t know shit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: yeah. You need a much better technical midifeld than ours to do that. We give the ball away too much at the moment. That might change with a midfield of Big Joe/Bruno/Tonali and a worldie at right wing. You also need a sweeper keeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33113 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Fish said: You also need a sweypa keypa. FTM. MLF'dYP. Edited April 13 by Howmanheyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Bruno is utterly wasted as a CDM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: Bruno is utterly wasted as a CDM That's just his starting position, with Tonali and Joelinton moving box-to-box, Bruno can join attacks later. Obviously if we bought a 'proper' DM Bruno would play more as an 8. But until then he's the best we've got in that position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1256 Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 trilpier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35059 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Bruno is utterly wasted as a CDM I’ve wondered for a while if Trippier could play there with Tino at RB. Lacks the physical presence (as does Bruno though) but has all the other attributes. Probably not something we’re likely to see happen with all the other options in midfield when everyone’s fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17239 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Similar to Gordon when he came, he found training hard. Good https://www.newcastleworld.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/difficult-lewis-hall-drops-transfer-bombshell-and-opens-up-about-newcastle-united-struggles-4629459 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9385 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 I like this bit: “I believe in myself and the gaffer has told me all the qualities I have. It’s about doing it consistently, with the right attitude, and always staying grounded.” If anyone starts acting billy big bollocks, ship them out for me. I suspect a certain porcelain #9 has a touch of that tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20111 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 43 minutes ago, Toonpack said: I like this bit: “I believe in myself and the gaffer has told me all the qualities I have. It’s about doing it consistently, with the right attitude, and always staying grounded.” If anyone starts acting billy big bollocks, ship them out for me. I suspect a certain porcelain #9 has a touch of that tbh. Hence why Rashford wouldn't fit in. This made me chuckle Quote Tactically and technically, you have to be superb and know exactly what he (Howe) wants you to do. That's on the training pitch. Its ok if you're a jigsaw though and go to bit out on the pitch come Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44804 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Pretty clear why we picked this lad up last summer now. Only 19 man. Tino as well. Full back positions sorted for the next 5+ years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20111 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Aye, he looked class yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1256 Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 I want rashford to come just to see wykiki pop an aneurysm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrRaspberryJam Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 12/04/2024 at 22:20, The Fish said: You also need a sweeper keeper. aaah, the owld 2-3-2-2-1 formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 18 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: aaah, the owld 2-3-2-2-1 formation. it's just a 4-3-3/4-5-1 hybrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 On 13/04/2024 at 08:17, Kid Dynamite said: Bruno is utterly wasted as a CDM Whereas tonali can do that role… swap them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 hours ago, tinofbeans said: Whereas tonali can do that role… swap them. can he though? he didn't really play as a DM in his few appearances for us so far. i dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30544 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Aye, that’s where he played at Milan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, ewerk said: Aye, that’s where he played at Milan. according to this he played as one of the two deeper central midfielders in that I believe the kids call a double pivot in Miln’s 4-2-3-1 https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/sandro-tonali-at-ac-milan-2022-23-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics and he would get forwards as well as helping in defensively. Not necessarily a “number 6” in our “single pivot” 4-3-3 formation who will just sit and protect the back four while starting off attacks from deep. Does he have the positional discipline to sit deep on his own and fill the gaping hole we’ve often seen between our defence and midfield this season? I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s why Howe bought him, or whether he was planning to change the system. What I do know is this could be this decade’s great Hugo Viana debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35059 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 He’s a cross between a 6 and an 8. Aka a 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3887 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Alex said: He’s a cross between a 6 and an 8. Aka a 7 Surely a 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35059 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 34 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Surely a 14 Or a 48. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 17 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: according to this he played as one of the two deeper central midfielders in that I believe the kids call a double pivot in Miln’s 4-2-3-1 https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/sandro-tonali-at-ac-milan-2022-23-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics and he would get forwards as well as helping in defensively. Not necessarily a “number 6” in our “single pivot” 4-3-3 formation who will just sit and protect the back four while starting off attacks from deep. Does he have the positional discipline to sit deep on his own and fill the gaping hole we’ve often seen between our defence and midfield this season? I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s why Howe bought him, or whether he was planning to change the system. What I do know is this could be this decade’s great Hugo Viana debate I think that both he and Bruno play similar roles albeit in different ways. Both can defend and can evade pressure, both can get forward and create opportunities. He's not quite the out and out defensive midfield, but he's more defensive than a true blue central midfielder. He's kind of box to box but lacks the physicality you'd expect from that role. He's definitely not an attacking midfielder, but he does create chances. He's not a regista, mezzala, or carrilero, but I think the term that best describes him is Segundo Volante. https://medium.com/@moderntactics343/tactical-investigation-what-is-a-segundo-volante-2bb3491cbf5b Now, I know a lot of you absolutely fucking HATE foreign muck, but honestly read the above and I think it describes his role very well. It even references Barella who we were very much interested in, before we switched to Tonali. FWIW I think the gaping hole has more to do with Pope's absence than it is our midfield. If Pope was fit our defence would be higher up the pitch, closer to the midfield. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefilim 14 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Best English LB's -- Lewis Hall, T Mitchell Tindall could win a Euros with this talent ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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