Harvey Barnes

[aimaad22 4690]

I know it's been a while now and we've been in the CL and a cup final but I still pinch myself at times when you see Nufc being able to bring Tonali and Barnes off the bench  

[wykikitoon 22901]

Just looking at his stats and since he's joined us he's had 13 goal involvements in 36 games.  

[Dr Gloom 23642]

27 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Just looking at his stats and since he's joined us he's had 13 goal involvements in 36 games.  

a lot of which have been off the bench, as have a lot of his best performances. He’s a brilliant impact player against tired legs - but will he be happy with that role long term? He’s good enough to start for a lot of top teams but I’m not convinced his off the ball work make him an Eddie Howe player across 90 minutes 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[The Fish 11323]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

a lot of which have been off the bench, as have a lot of his best performances. He’s a brilliant impact player against tired legs - but will he be happy with that role long term? He’s good enough to start for a lot of top teams but I’m not convinced his off the ball work make him an Eddie Howe player across 90 minutes 

 

I think games being much longer and being allowed to make more and more substitutions allows you to better use the squad. So players like Barnes can start the game on the bench, but still be getting 30-45 minutes every weekend. And then there's the cup competitions and potentially Europe too. 

[Alex 36725]

It’s become a bit like rugby union after they allowed multiple subs and certain players are specifically ’finishers’ ie purely in the squad to play the last 1/3 or 1/4 of the match. He seems to be in that category. 

[Rayvin 5924]

Do we reckon Barnes has been better for us than Maddison would have been in the end then? Not really followed Maddison since, did he turn out to be any good?

[Gemmill 49974]

Maddison has been decent for Spurs, but he's an absolute helmet. 

[Alex 36725]

Still don’t see where he’d have fitted into the system Howe plays. And he doesn’t strike me as being good enough to make the manager change it

[aimaad22 4690]

He started out well there but he's not been a regular starter for a while now, you get the feeling Ange doesnt trust him. Come in from some stick from Spurs fans too. 

 

I dont think he'd have worked well under our system and Eddie Howe at all.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

43 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

He started out well there but he's not been a regular starter for a while now, you get the feeling Ange doesnt trust him. Come in from some stick from Spurs fans too. 

 

I dont think he'd have worked well under our system and Eddie Howe at all.

In hindsight, I agree. We would have to have switched to 4-2-3-1, with Maddison at 10. But Howe has shown no desire to diverge from 4-3-3   

[Toonpack 11370]

10 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

In hindsight, I agree. We would have to have switched to 4-2-3-1, with Maddison at 10. But Howe has shown no desire to diverge from 4-3-3   

4-3-3 is our base formation but during games, situationally,  we’ve gone 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and even 3-5-2 at times. Howe’s not as inflexible as is sometimes portrayed I reckon.

[PaddockLad 19013]

Maddison was subbed at half time the other week with spurs getting beat, they turned it round and won..

 

He came off the bench at the weekend and they still couldn’t beat Ipswich at home..

 

Strikes me in the modern game with the way many teams are set up to press the opposition that he’s a luxury player who still doesn’t contribute enough going forward and definitely not enough defensively/in his team’s own half of the pitch. 
 

And now over to our good friend and colleague @The Fish who will prove me utterly wrong with some spurious 6th form stats he’s made up earlier  

[wykikitoon 22901]

Maddison is a fucking bell pipe /end

[RobinRobin 12486]

1 minute ago, PaddockLad said:

 

And now over to our good friend and colleague @The Fish who will prove me utterly wrong with some spurious 6th form stats he’s made up earlier  

[PaddockLad 19013]

27 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Maddison is a fucking bell pipe /end

That’s the other side of the equation  

 

 

[The Fish 11323]

2 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

Maddison was subbed at half time the other week with spurs getting beat, they turned it round and won..

 

He came off the bench at the weekend and they still couldn’t beat Ipswich at home..

 

Strikes me in the modern game with the way many teams are set up to press the opposition that he’s a luxury player who still doesn’t contribute enough going forward and definitely not enough defensively/in his team’s own half of the pitch. 
 

And now over to our good friend and colleague @The Fish who will prove me utterly wrong with some spurious 6th form stats he’s made up earlier  

 

 

You're not wrong about his defensive contribution.

 

[PaddockLad 19013]

18 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 

You're not wrong about his defensive contribution.

 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

3 hours ago, Toonpack said:

4-3-3 is our base formation but during games, situationally,  we’ve gone 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and even 3-5-2 at times. Howe’s not as inflexible as is sometimes portrayed I reckon.

 

yeah, i would agree but i don't think he fancies playing with a traditional number 10 style playmaker just behind the striker. he wants athletes. runners that will graft going backwards as well as forwards. it's why there was no room for ASM, and i doubt maddison would have worked  

Edited November 14, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 23642]

he reminds me of matt le tissier (minus the conspiracy theories). class technical player but he's doing nowt the other way and isn't going to work hard enough for a lot of managers in the premier league. 

[OTF 8418]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

he reminds me of matt le tissier (minus the conspiracy theories). class technical player but he's doing nowt the other way and isn't going to work hard enough for a lot of managers in the premier league. 

He's a fancy boy who likes to do the fun stuff and also fall over.

 

[Alex 36725]

He’s a rotter who looks like an otter 

[Meenzer 16446]

What a fucking rotter!

 

 

[Toonpack 11370]

8 minutes ago, Alex said:

He’s a rotter who looks like an otter 

 

He's a twat who looks like a bat

[Dr Gloom 23642]

 

[Monkeys Fist 45151]

He’s a Badger with a mushroom tadger.