Sandro Tonali

[Renton 23469]

4 minutes ago, OTF said:

 

In relation to FFP and "crimes" that were committed prior to him being a Newcastle player, surely that would allow us to effectively remove a portion of his transfer fee and wages from our FFP balance sheet? E.g. He's signed a five year contract so we've amortised his transfer fee and wages across that. Let's assume wages are 100k/week and his transfer fee was £55m. Across five years that's £16.2m (£5.2 + £11m) for each year of his contract. If he's suspended from playing for the rest of the season that equates to about 80% of the games that he could have been otherwise available for that he's missing. Therefore, having committed no crime themselves Newcastle should have "freed up" £12.9m pounds for this season. Next season assuming he's able to play again the amortisation resumes at the original rate. If you consider that we should be continually increasing our revenue substantially for a few years as our new commercial deals come into play it should mean that we can sign a player of similar value a year earlier than we otherwise would have.

 

so it's GOOD NEWS.

 

[Alex 36564]

I don’t like to be knee jerk and I know foreign players can take a while to settle. But I’m not sure why we signed him / what he brings. We’re better when Longstaff plays and I suspect the same applies to a fit again Willock. I know we might look to play a different way in terms of formation. But Howe hasn’t shown much indication of wanting to do that 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Alex

[RobElliott 1769]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

They're all Jermaine on the south coast.

 

I love Jermaine me,

 

Berlin is class during the Christmas markets

[Alex 36564]

1 minute ago, RobElliott said:

 

I love Jermaine me,

 

Berlin is class during the Christmas markets

Is this information germane? 

[Renton 23469]

Tonali might not play for us again, Barnes out for the forseeable, a LB who currently seems fairly redundant, ditto our RB. Still light in central defence, midfield, and don't have a third striker. Been a bit of a shir transfer window really hasn't it. 

[Dr Gloom 23389]

42 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

You can dress it up in terms of needing help with addiction etc etc but is that claim actually true? Seeing as Toenail and his agent walked through the front doors of SJP and lied to the owners ,managers & coaches, players and supporters of NUFC am thinking he can fuck right off. It’s a cunts trick. 
 

What do people think his manager’s attitude will be towards him now? And his teammates? 

It’s all speculation though at this stage innit. We don’t know if Tonali or Milan knew this investigation was coming when he signed 

[The Fish 11306]

2 minutes ago, Alex said:

I don’t like to be knee jerk and I know foreign players can take a while to settle. But I’m not sure why we signed him / what he brings. We’re better when Longstaff plays and I suspect the same applies to a fit again Willock. I know we might look to play a different way in terms of formation. But Howe hasn’t shown much indication of wanting to do that 

I honestly think it was an effort to recreate the threat we had on the right through Almiron, Trippier and Bruno, but on the left. By that I mean Bruno would post up just outside the left corner of the box and play interlinking passes with Gordon and Burn/Hall, while Tonali develops that understanding on the right. 

 

I think we haven't done that because we've not had a settled run of games with Tonali, Bruno and Joelinton all fit. Joelinton being required to do the physical legwork while Bruno and Tonali are freed up to do more attacking work.

[The Fish 11306]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

Tonali might not play for us again, Barnes out for the forseeable, a LB who currently seems fairly redundant, ditto our RB. Still light in central defence, midfield, and don't have a third striker. Been a bit of a shir transfer window really hasn't it. 

 

Hall isn't just a left back, he can play centrally and further forward. Hall and Livramento haven't been bought for the here and now, but are being gently introduced into the side. They're both young and very highly rated, so I'd expect them to get more and more game time as their contracts progress. 

[Renton 23469]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

 

Hall isn't just a left back, he can play centrally and further forward. Hall and Livramento haven't been bought for the here and now, but are being gently introduced into the side. They're both young and very highly rated, so I'd expect them to get more and more game time as their contracts progress. 

 

I know. I still have faith, but this Toenail saga is fucking me right off. Thoughts drift again to what could have been. It's a pretty massive blow, still Howe has shown his resilence before.  

[Holden McGroin 7453]

6 minutes ago, Renton said:

Tonali might not play for us again, Barnes out for the forseeable, a LB who currently seems fairly redundant, ditto our RB. Still light in central defence, midfield, and don't have a third striker. Been a bit of a shir transfer window really hasn't it. 

I think Hall is being trained in the ways of Howe.

 

Barnes will be back in a couple of months.

 

Livramento will be really be needed if Trippier gets injured

 

I get your point though. None of the starting eleven has  been improved.

 

Tonali could well get a 1 year + here if the info coming out is accurate.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Holden McGroin

[RobinRobin 12340]

5 hours ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

I think its more around whether he made a shady deal with Milan to come to us knowing he could face a lengthy ban. Of course we'll never know.

No doubt Fagioli will let us know. 

[Dr Gloom 23389]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

Tonali might not play for us again, Barnes out for the forseeable, a LB who currently seems fairly redundant, ditto our RB. Still light in central defence, midfield, and don't have a third striker. Been a bit of a shir transfer window really hasn't it. 

[ewerk 32864]

17 minutes ago, OTF said:

 

In relation to FFP and "crimes" that were committed prior to him being a Newcastle player, surely that would allow us to effectively remove a portion of his transfer fee and wages from our FFP balance sheet? E.g. He's signed a five year contract so we've amortised his transfer fee and wages across that. Let's assume wages are 100k/week and his transfer fee was £55m. Across five years that's £16.2m (£5.2 + £11m) for each year of his contract. If he's suspended from playing for the rest of the season that equates to about 80% of the games that he could have been otherwise available for that he's missing. Therefore, having committed no crime themselves Newcastle should have "freed up" £12.9m pounds for this season. Next season assuming he's able to play again the amortisation resumes at the original rate. If you consider that we should be continually increasing our revenue substantially for a few years as our new commercial deals come into play it should mean that we can sign a player of similar value a year earlier than we otherwise would have.

It’s a nice thought but 100% wrong.

[OTF 8303]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

Tonali might not play for us again, Barnes out for the forseeable, a LB who currently seems fairly redundant, ditto our RB. Still light in central defence, midfield, and don't have a third striker. Been a bit of a shir transfer window really hasn't it. 

It's a tough one because unseating Dan Burn from the left back position would be a tough ask. Like Livramento, Hall seems more like a signing for next season than this. Livramento is more developed as far as his career goes, but is behind the first name on our team sheet. So the success of this transfer window really does come down to Barnes and Tonali, both of whom are seemingly set to miss big chunks of the season.

 

You'd have to think a squad this this spread so far will catch up with us at some point this season.

[PaddockLad 18827]

20 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Jermaine. The racism just OOZES out of this one, doesn't it. DISGUSTING.

[Renton 23469]

4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It’s a nice thought but 100% wrong.

 

[ewerk 32864]

[Dr Gloom 23389]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

I don’t like to be knee jerk and I know foreign players can take a while to settle. But I’m not sure why we signed him / what he brings. We’re better when Longstaff plays and I suspect the same applies to a fit again Willock. I know we might look to play a different way in terms of formation. But Howe hasn’t shown much indication of wanting to do that 

I know what you mean. It didn’t take long to feel like a bit of a weird signing.

 

He’s obviously a class player but he doesn’t appear to complement Bruno on the evidence so far. And why would he leave his boyhood club for us? It felt like we got him for a good fee compared to other CM transfers last summer. Were Milan that broke that they had to sell to him to us? You don’t get the sense he was agitating for a move. 

I know what @Renton means too about the lack of impact the new signings have made. Barnes feels a bit of a weird one when Gordon has been the main man on the left. Then you have Joelinton, Willock and Anderson who can all play there. Would Diaby have been a better option given were relatively light on the right? Or Maddison to offer something completely different?

 

The Mexican DM who went to West Ham, who we were also linked with, might have made more sense than Tonali as he would have released Bruno to play further forwards.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Dr Gloom

[The Fish 11306]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I know what you mean. It didn’t take long to feel like a bit of a weird signing pretty early on.

 

He’s obviously a class player but he doesn’t appear to complement Bruno on the evidence so far. And why would he leave his boyhood club for us? It felt like we got him for a good fee compared to other CM transfers last summer. Were Milan that broke that they had to sell to him to us? You don’t get the sense he was agitating for a move. 

I know what @Renton means too about the lack of impact the new signings have made. Barnes feels a bit of a weird one when Gordon has been the main man on the left. Then you have Joelinton, Willock and Anderson who can all play there. Would Diaby have been a better option given were relatively light on the right? Or Maddison to offer something completely different?

 

The Mexican DM who went to West Ham, who we were also linked with, might have made more sense than Tonali as he would have released Bruno to play further forwards.

 

To be honest I don't have any expectations of signings being an instant impact any more. Isak, Gordon, Bruno all took time to find their feet. Hall and Livramento are both clearly bought for the future, (Minteh and Kuol even further down the line). 

 

Barnes and Tonalie were, I think, intended to be slowly brought into the first team. Unfortunately because of injuries to particular players, they've been introduced ahead of schedule. 

[Dr Gloom 23389]

16 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It’s a nice thought but 100% wrong.

 

[OTF 8303]

3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It’s a nice thought but 100% wrong.

 

I know there's no existing provisions for this within FFP, but surely there would be grounds to appeal based upon whether he has committed any crime whilst being a Newcastle player? It's not comparable to an injury preventing him from playing as it did not occur whilst playing for us.

 

If we were to pursue Milan based on the likelihood that they had some knowledge of this, then any compensatory damages would at least be removed from the amortisation ledger reducing the yearly allocation. Likewise any penalties (fines or reductions in wages) could shave a little more off.

 

Like the rest of us I'd really like to know what the crimes he has committed are, and whether there's any precedent based on cases here (Toney's being the most prominent). If he has bet on football then he will have broken FA gambling rules and at best will be subject to their penalties which from the sounds of things will be less punitive than the Italian laws.

 

[Rayvin 5891]

I reckon if it's up to a year we just take the hit and crack on. If he really is meant to be some sort of Bruno replacement that we seized upon because he was cheap then it might all more or less work out anyway. My concern would be that he starts agitating for a move back to Milan as soon as his ban is over but I suppose we have to hope this isn't as 'managed' a situation on their end as this appears.

 

The Athletic article suggests Howe is firmly behind him at the moment so hopefully there's no disharmony about it,

[Alex 36564]

23 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Alreet, Jordan 

[Gemmill 49343]

Didn't take long for the Brexit crew on here to turn on the Italian lad did it? Waving your little union jacks.

[Alex 36564]

I wonder if there’s a Tonali-sized deal with Saudia incoming