Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) So let's try and figure out who in the current squad is making the squad list next season. PL rules are: Squad of 25 17 x non-home grown players 8 x home grown players u21 players don't count towards the 25 What is a Home-Grown Player? A "Home-Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). Rules on U21 players Under-21 players are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad. For the 2023/24 campaign, Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 2002 GKs Pope 1 Karius 2 Dubravka 3 Darlow Gillespie DFs Krafth 4 Lewis Manquillo Trippier 5 Schar 6 Lascelles 7 Botman 8 Dummett 9 (HG) Targett 10 Burn 11 Ashby Watts (HG) MFs Almiron 12 Hayden ASM 13 Gordon 14 Ritchie 15 Anderson (HG/U21) Miley (HG/U21) Willock 16 Tonali 17 Bruno 18 Joelinton 19 Fraser Longstaff 20 (HG) Hendrick Murphy 21 ? Barnes 22 CFs Wilson 23 Isak 24 Edited July 9, 2023 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35052 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Hayden’s contract, man Ashley in a nutshell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 With the contract news yesterday, I think this will be the 23 man squad, with no incoming transfers. What happens after that I have no idea. GKS Pope Karius Gillespie DFs Trippier Schar Lascelles Botman Dummett Targett Burn Ashby MFs Almiron ASM Gordon Ritchie Anderson Willock Bruno Joelinton Longstaff Murphy CFs Wilson Isak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) i'm surprised ritchie's contract has been extended. he must provide some superb dressing room bants because i don't see him getting many minutes on the pitch Edited June 15, 2023 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3887 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i'm suorises ritchie's contract has been extended. he must provide some superb dressing room bants because i don't see him getting many minutes on the pitch I’m willing to bet he moves on to the coaching team when it’s finished. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35052 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) Agree re the coaching role as Howe obviously likes having him around. Might be an experienced pro to bolster the reserve team too, or whatever it’s called now. I think they finished near the bottom of the second tier last season. You’d think it would be much more beneficial for any young talent coming through to play against what the likes of Man City and Liverpool have in the future. Edited June 15, 2023 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20109 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 I'm happy to see his contract extended. You can see he is integral in the squad. Like @ewerksuggested too, it maybe part of the HG coefficient for the CL too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30534 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 We'll have no problem meeting the national home grown requirement for the CL, we only need eight players in the squad to have been developed in England. The issue we'll have is that four of those players need to have been trained by the club as kids and at the moment we only have two. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: I'm happy to see his contract extended. You can see he is integral in the squad. Like @ewerksuggested too, it maybe part of the HG coefficient for the CL too. ritchie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 2 hours ago, strawb said: With the contract news yesterday, I think this will be the 23 man squad, with no incoming transfers. What happens after that I have no idea. GKS Pope Karius Gillespie DFs Trippier Schar Lascelles Botman Dummett Targett Burn Ashby MFs Almiron ASM Gordon Ritchie Anderson Willock Bruno Joelinton Longstaff Murphy CFs Wilson Isak So: Dubravka Darlow Krafth Manquillo Lewis Fraser Hendrick Hayden all to move on. That's going to be a nightmare I think Gordon and Ashby are too old to count as U21s this season? Anderson counts towards it. Which leaves 3 spaces in the squad. If we are really after 5 new signings it makes the Ritchie contract an odd one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, ewerk said: We'll have no problem meeting the national home grown requirement for the CL, we only need eight players in the squad to have been developed in England. The issue we'll have is that four of those players need to have been trained by the club as kids and at the moment we only have two. Gillespie, Dummet, Longstaff, Watts, Anderson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30534 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Gillespie, Dummet, Longstaff, Watts, Anderson? Gillespie left at 16 so didn't complete the two year period from 15 required. Anderson still counts as a U-21. Kell Watts is... well he's Kell Watts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20109 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: So: Dubravka Darlow Krafth Manquillo Lewis Fraser Hendrick Hayden all to move on. That's going to be a nightmare I think Gordon and Ashby are too old to count as U21s this season? Anderson counts towards it. Which leaves 3 spaces in the squad. If we are really after 5 new signings it makes the Ritchie contract an odd one Add ASM too (LTA klaxon alert) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: Gillespie left at 16 so didn't complete the two year period from 15 required. Anderson still counts as a U-21. Kell Watts is... well he's Kell Watts. Can the U21s not count towards the 4 though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: So: Dubravka Darlow Krafth Manquillo Lewis Fraser Hendrick Hayden all to move on. That's going to be a nightmare I think Gordon and Ashby are too old to count as U21s this season? Anderson counts towards it. Which leaves 3 spaces in the squad. If we are really after 5 new signings it makes the Ritchie contract an odd one Yeah that’s what I would do, but it’s probably for the best for us that I’m not paid to make these decisions. Not going to be easy reorganising an Ashley squad tbh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30534 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Can the U21s not count towards the 4 though? U-21s don't count towards the 25 man limit. It just means that as things stand we'd be limited to a 23 man CL squad and as many U-21 players as we like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, strawb said: Yeah that’s what I would do, but it’s probably for the best for us that I’m not paid to make these decisions. Not going to be easy reorganising an Ashley squad tbh Manquillo may get a place because of his versatility. Krafth was also playing well before his injury. But if we are looking at Tierney then we don't need 7-8 players that can play full back in the squad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6580 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Ideally we’d bin off Manquillo off and keep Krafh if he fully recovers. Ive mentioned before but I’m not sure Ashby will ever make it here. (Based on nothing but our actions so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) On 15/06/2023 at 08:10, Kid Dynamite said: So let's try and figure out who in the current squad is making the squad list next season. PL rules are: Squad of 25 17 x non-home grown players 8 x home grown players u21 players don't count towards the 25 What is a Home-Grown Player? A "Home-Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). Champions League rules state that 4 of those players, since his 15th birthday,must have played for the club for an uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years. He can have a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Rules on U21 players Under-21 players are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad. For the 2023/24 campaign, Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 2002 GKs Pope 1 Karius 2 Dubravka 3 Darlow Gillespie DFs Krafth 4 Lewis Manquillo Trippier 5 Schar 6 Lascelles 7 Botman 8 Dummett 9 (HG CL) Targett 10 Burn 11 Ashby Watts 12 (HG CL) MFs Almiron 13 Hayden ASM 14 Gordon 15 Ritchie 16 Anderson (HG CL/U21) Miley (HG CL/U21) Willock 17 Tonali 18 Bruno 19 Joelinton 20 Fraser Longstaff 21 (HG CL) Hendrick Murphy 22 ? Barnes 23 CFs Wilson 24 Isak 25 I've updated the list with Tonali and the potential signing of Barnes. Longstaff, Anderson, Dummet, Watts and Miley count towards the 4 x academy taught players for CL rules. Miley coming into the squad may mean the end of Watts. GK positions remain to be seen. If rumours are to be believed we've offered Karius a 1 year extension, possibly as Gillespie's replacement as 3rd choice? Darlow in talks with other clubs. Hopefully Dubravka stays as number 2. Anderson and Miley are the only U21 players that don't count towards the 25 man squad limit. Which leaves us 8 players over our limit if we sign Barnes. You would imagine that Darlow, Gillespie, Lewis, Ashby, Hendrick, Hayden, Fraser, Manquillo are surplus to requirements so will be sold or loaned out. We need another CB and LB ideally which means 2 more players would need to make way. Watts likely the first? ASM the second? If we sign Livramento then he's another U21 player. Still don't understand giving Ritchie an extension? Edited July 9, 2023 by Kid Dynamite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4747 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Ritchie is basically a coach at this point. In our end of season videos he was called out as the "unsung hero" of the season by half the squad, apparently hes a big leader in training and really drives the standard. Worth keeping around and I suppose if hes a coach he isnt actually /training/ with the players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Did Gillespie not just have his contract extended by a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Dougle said: Did Gillespie not just have his contract extended by a year? You're right. Another squad place down, unless Dubravka or Karius move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: You're right. Another squad place down, unless Dubravka or Karius move on If either move on I suspect between the two it’s more likely to be Dubravka if Howe is going to be consistent (Fraser). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 On 15/06/2023 at 19:28, wykikitoon said: I'm happy to see his contract extended. You can see he is integral in the squad. Like @ewerksuggested too, it maybe part of the HG coefficient for the CL too. It's clearly due to this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, OTF said: It's clearly due to this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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