Dr Gloom 21909 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 When you’re the king you can do what you want 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35050 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 17 hours ago, The Fish said: I mean, don't get me wrong, Pep Guardiola is clearly an excellent manager and the challenges he faces are as disparate as they are difficult. However, they've done worse this season by key metrics; Creating and scoring fewer, conceding and allowing more chances. Fewer points too. It’s slightly misleading making those sort of direct comparisons I think. He’s in a unique position in being allowed to do this, but I suppose he’s earned it too. But I think the first half of this season was him experimenting to allow the team to optimise how they play to Haaland’s strengths. I think that’s mainly with winning the CL in mind (although it obviously meant they stormed the PL in the end too). How that relates to how deserving he is of winning manager of the year is another matter but it’s why the straight last season’s v this season’s metrics don’t necessarily compare well imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10838 Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alex said: It’s slightly misleading making those sort of direct comparisons I think. He’s in a unique position in being allowed to do this, but I suppose he’s earned it too. But I think the first half of this season was him experimenting to allow the team to optimise how they play to Haaland’s strengths. I think that’s mainly with winning the CL in mind (although it obviously meant they stormed the PL in the end too). How that relates to how deserving he is of winning manager of the year is another matter but it’s why the straight last season’s v this season’s metrics don’t necessarily compare well imo Isn't it his job to assimilate the monster? I think it is fair to look at the performances of last year vs this. Probably more fair to compare two seasons of a manager who's had largely the same side, than it is to compare the team performances of manager who came in part way through this season vs that team's performance in 21/22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35050 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 1 hour ago, The Fish said: Isn't it his job to assimilate the monster? I think it is fair to look at the performances of last year vs this. Probably more fair to compare two seasons of a manager who's had largely the same side, than it is to compare the team performances of manager who came in part way through this season vs that team's performance in 21/22? If they win the treble it would be a more notable achievement and a better demonstration of a successful assimilation of a player than if they didn’t do that but beat last years ‘key metrics’ though I know they’re two games away from that but it’s ultimately how he’ll be judged. I get what you’re saying about the league and specifically in reference to the manager of the year award 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10838 Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, Alex said: If they win the treble it would be a more notable achievement and a better demonstration of a successful assimilation of a player than if they didn’t do that but beat last years ‘key metrics’ though I know they’re two games away from that but it’s ultimately how he’ll be judged. I get what you’re saying about the league and specifically in reference to the manager of the year award 👍🏻 If I'm honest I think the way Man City have climbed to the top of the mountain blunts my enthusiasm for their achievements. There's an air of inevitability about it. Could be why Howe's achievements haven't been recognised as well, because of the ownership, there's an air of inevitability of our ascent. Yes, objectively, winning the treble is a phenomenal achievement, but it's diminished by just how far ahead they are of everyone else. Nonetheless regardless of their strength, they've clawed Arsenal back, they've beaten everyone in their path to domestic and continental cup glory, so far. Trouble is, this is the Premier League Manager of the Year. Cup competitions shouldn't really factor into it. It should really just be the manager who contextually performed best in the league, right? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35050 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, The Fish said: If I'm honest I think the way Man City have climbed to the top of the mountain blunts my enthusiasm for their achievements. There's an air of inevitability about it. Could be why Howe's achievements haven't been recognised as well, because of the ownership, there's an air of inevitability of our ascent. Yes, objectively, winning the treble is a phenomenal achievement, but it's diminished by just how far ahead they are of everyone else. Nonetheless regardless of their strength, they've clawed Arsenal back, they've beaten everyone in their path to domestic and continental cup glory, so far. Trouble is, this is the Premier League Manager of the Year. Cup competitions shouldn't really factor into it. It should really just be the manager who contextually performed best in the league, right? Yep. On that basis it shouldn’t be Pep but the league winner nearly always gets it. Especially in a season when loads have worked wonders with their resources there are seemingly lots of better candidates. There’s probably a better argument for Arteta (as well as others previously mentioned). Edited June 1, 2023 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11252 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 18 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: When you’re the king you can do who you want (and replace your left back) Pardew'dYP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42349 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 On 01/06/2023 at 08:45, Dr Gloom said: When you’re the king you can do what you want He definitely roofied Little Miss Sunshine here, didn’t he? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 On 01/06/2023 at 08:45, Dr Gloom said: When you’re the king you can do what you want 3, Pardew, 2, 1, 4 imo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17238 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 4 looks like she’s got trapped wind 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33094 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Little miss sunshine now married with two kids, gets embarrassed when this photo gets shown, swears to hubby the king was 'a great laugh' and nothing happened. Hubby secretly doesn't believe her. If Pardew sees this picture again he'll check if he still has her number and tries to remember which hotel they went to afterwards. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42349 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: 4 looks like she’s got trapped wind So does Sunshine to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobElliott 1485 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: He definitely roofied Little Miss Sunshine here, didn’t he? Probably had all 4 to be honest... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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