Unai "Nee Baals" Emery's Beige Renaissance vs Eddie "Baals in a Wheelbarrow" Howe's UNSTOPPABLE Lunchtime Mags

[wykikitoon 22901]

Just now, Christmas Tree said:

I haven’t been able to look at anything football related since the final whistle. Was / Is the conclusion that most of our players had a really bad day or did Eddie get his tactics wrong?

 

Probably a mixture. 

[NJS 4564]

8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Probably a mixture. 

I agree but I tend to agree with those who mentioned Longstaff's absence as a large factor. 

 

It's an easy call to mention someone missing but I thought the space they had in midfield would have been reduced if he'd played. 

[wykikitoon 22901]

12 minutes ago, NJS said:

I agree but I tend to agree with those who mentioned Longstaff's absence as a large factor. 

 

It's an easy call to mention someone missing but I thought the space they had in midfield would have been reduced if he'd played. 

Wasn't Longstaff injured though? I.e that cannot be pinned on Howe. 

[NJS 4564]

4 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Wasn't Longstaff injured though? I.e that cannot be pinned on Howe. 

Yes - ill through the week apparently. 

 

On Eddie I think I'd question Gordon starting. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

Just now, NJS said:

I agree but I tend to agree with those who mentioned Longstaff's absence as a large factor. 

 

It's an easy call to mention someone missing but I thought the space they had in midfield would have been reduced if he'd played. 

we had arguably our three best technical midfielders in the middle but missed the water carrier 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

28 minutes ago, NJS said:

Yes - ill through the week apparently. 

 

On Eddie I think I'd question Gordon starting. 

Why? we paid £45m on him. It’s only his second start. I was pleased to see him get a chance. 
 

I’d have maybe played Gordon on the right as he’s looked good there when he’s come off the bench but I can see why he put him on the left up against the 37 year old Ashley Young. Also Murphy has been playing well and it would have been harsh to drop him. 

[wykikitoon 22901]

Looking at the lineup I can't really see what he could have changed.  It sounds (I didn't see the game) the tactical error was not making changes earlier.  I am not sure if you don't think Gordon should have started because of his tantrum or because you thought someone should have started in front of him.  But I think Gordon has looked decent and effective since coming off the bench so deserved his chance.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

21 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Looking at the lineup I can't really see what he could have changed.  It sounds (I didn't see the game) the tactical error was not making changes earlier.  I am not sure if you don't think Gordon should have started because of his tantrum or because you thought someone should have started in front of him.  But I think Gordon has looked decent and effective since coming off the bench so deserved his chance.

100%

[Dr Gloom 23642]

21 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Looking at the lineup I can't really see what he could have changed.  It sounds (I didn't see the game) the tactical error was not making changes earlier.  I am not sure if you don't think Gordon should have started because of his tantrum or because you thought someone should have started in front of him.  But I think Gordon has looked decent and effective since coming off the bench so deserved his chance.

gordon might feel hard done by not to have started more given Murphy is the player currently keeping him out of the side. Murphy has done well but he’s a limited player 

[The Fish 11323]

14 hours ago, Renton said:

 

Were we shit or did they make us look shit?

 

Both. Our poor performances would have been irrelevant if Villa weren't on it, and if we were on it, their performance wouldn't have been as impactful. 

 

e.g. Bruno and the Joes in the middle were passive, disjointed, wasteful and unimaginative. Had they been anything like their usual levels than Buendia Ramsey and McGinn would not have had the time and space to cause our back line so many problems. If our back line didn't look knackered Watkins' movement wouldn't have been so damaging etc.

 

 

[scoobos 299]

Only read a couple of pages here. But for me, this was purely fitness / tiredness and them playing almost exactly the same way we do. I don't think it was a poor performance by us, more as a remarkable one from the opposition (which I suppose is how teams must feel about us!)

 

They were quicker to the ball - Gordon looked slow (and he isn't its just in comparison) and we missed Longstaff imo - once again teaching me a lesson that I don't know anything about team selection.

I have questioned his inclusion so many times (same with Willock and murphy) and everytime I do the lads have a screamer.

 

We had glimpses of this against Brentford (I watched that match) where if the team plays to close us down as aggressively as we do, we seem to lose options to release the ball very quickly. For the first half it looked like Brentford had "learnt how to deal" , but then they collapsed in the second, thankfully. From my view Toney should have had 2 goals by half time , not even counting the pen.
Last edit - Also, I thought we saw something different from Howe in the Brentford game - he lost patience and made some pretty drastic changes compared to what I've seen before. Wilson and Isak seem to have had a great understanding coached into them already, they were immense in the second half.

All that said, we've won away from home in London more than once - these in themselves are points I never would have expected - We'll bounce back at home, no bother.

Edited April 17, 2023 by scoobos

[Holden McGroin 7625]

Its only the second game this season (arguably Man City away could make it 3) that we've deserved nothing from the game.

 

It will be all forgotten about if we pummel Spurs.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said:

Its only the second game this season (arguably Man City away could make it 3) that we've deserved nothing from the game.

 

It will be all forgotten about if we pummel Spurs.

 

brighton away. we got away with a draw there when we really should have lost. brighton are one of the best teams i've watched this season 

[Holden McGroin 7625]

11 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

brighton away. we got away with a draw there when we really should have lost. brighton are one of the best teams i've watched this season 

 

Aye Villa (a), Brighton (a) and Man City (a) you could argue we deserved all 3 defeats. We had chances v Man City but reckon they never got out of second gear.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

5 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

Aye Villa (a), Brighton (a) and Man City (a) you could argue we deserved all 3 defeats. We had chances v Man City but reckon they never got out of second gear.

 

the kind of result/performance we saw against villa on saturday used to be par so it was surprising because we've been mostly brilliant all season. it's no fluke we're up in 4th. 

[Holden McGroin 7625]

Aye, I think the fallout (I imagine there is on a social media) about it will be mega as that was by far the worse performance of the season. And also something we haven't been used to in over a year now. But if you look at it in black and white I would have taken your hand off for 5 points over the past 3 games and we've achieved 6 so im overall happy.

 

Only worry is that we seem to shipping chances which we haven't done all season.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

22 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

Aye, I think the fallout (I imagine there is on a social media) about it will be mega as that was by far the worse performance of the season. And also something we haven't been used to in over a year now. But if you look at it in black and white I would have taken your hand off for 5 points over the past 3 games and we've achieved 6 so im overall happy.

 

Only worry is that we seem to shipping chances which we haven't done all season.

 

100% agree with this. we'd all have taken a win and two draws from those three away games. we've come away with 6 points but it feels worse because of the way we lost. 

[Renton 23683]

30 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

100% agree with this. we'd all have taken a win and two draws from those three away games. we've come away with 6 points but it feels worse because of the way we lost. 

 

Aye, it's the psychology of it. Like if Arsenal had come back from 2 goals down yesterday it might have felt like a positive, but throwing away a 2 goal lead is a psycological blow. I would have bitten your hands off for these points tbh. 

But, is there a nagging doubt after Brentford first half and Villa that sides have discovered a way of beating us, by playing us at our own game? I think maybe, but not sure many sides could pull it off. 

 

Looking forward to fuckling smashing spurs, ripping their head off with their spinal cord still dangling, and tossing them into oblivion. I think only Liverpool have beaten us at home since 2021, is that right? They will be shitting it and never have we got a better chance to get back on the horse. 

[Alex 36725]

I think that’s correct in the premier league (and Cambridge in the fa cup). 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

 

shame it's the 2pm kick off time and not an evening game under the floodlights with a raucous sjp full of beer 

[Renton 23683]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

shame it's the 2pm kick off time and not an evening game under the floodlights with a raucous sjp full of beer 

 

I think we'll (fans) be well up for it and it'll be very loud. I don't know why, but I always associate Spurs as a "day time" game for us. 

[Howmanheyman 36607]

6 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I think we'll (fans) be well up for it and it'll be very loud. I don't know why, but I always associate Spurs as a "day time" game for us. 

 

I always associate away games at Goodison as being night games and difficult yet rare weekend afternoon games seem to be a lot more tranquil and fruitful, it's why I'm not taking anything for granted when we play them on Thursday night after Spurs. 

[Gemmill 49974]

21 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

I always associate away games at Goodison as being night games and difficult yet rare weekend afternoon games seem to be a lot more tranquil and fruitful, it's why I'm not taking anything for granted when we play them on Thursday night after Spurs. 

 

Let me provide you with a G-Man guarantee:

 

Spurs and Everton = 6 points.

 

[Howmanheyman 36607]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Let me provide you with a G-Man guarantee:

 

Spurs and Everton = 6 points.

 

 

That sounds a bit like my mates guarantee whenever they've done a job for me. It's called 'The Driveway Guarantee' it's only valid till they walk off my driveway.

[Rosco 878]

I was hoping for min 7 points from those three away games but expecting 9 whats pissed me off more is the way we bent over and got humped