nathan jone's flock of rather nervous hampshire sheep v eddie howe's brokendollless swashbuckling semi-finalists.

[Alex 35060]

Just now, ackas said:

 

Ok, it wasn't that mainstream or popular in the 70s ☺️
I'll always associate 70s Ajax with the concept of total football, rather than pressing

Anyway, I enjoy watching us high pressing or closing teams down or whatever its called

 

Well the concept of total football is based around players moving around and positions being interchangeable, rather than rigid. But equally the football played by Ajax, The Netherlands and Feyenoord back then was based around a high press and winning the ball high up the pitch. But even as a relatively recent concept it’s been used since the early 90s. Almost certainly due to the change in the back pass law

[Alex 35060]

2 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Because it doesn't

Exactly. If someone knew nothing about football then the term ‘sitting deep and soaking up pressure’ would explain the concept. Low block wouldn’t. Obviously a lot of this is teasing but it’s just shorthand for a way of playing. It isn’t a better explanation 

[spongebob toonpants 3994]

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

So, given all that, why not use a term or phrase that better explains what they do? Genuinely, why?

Bad analogy time. People watch films for different reasons. Some people like to discuss character arcs, hidden meanings and allegories, effect of the soundtrack and photography. Some people just like action. Neither is wrong

[The Fish 10849]

1 minute ago, Toonpack said:

 

Because it doesn't

 

I refer you to striker v false 9. One is a vague umbrella term, the other has specificity. If you took a moment to learn, it makes it explicit.

[Alex 35060]

Fish further demonstrating were bothered but he isn’t 

[The Fish 10849]

Just now, spongebob toonpants said:

Bad analogy time. People watch films for different reasons. Some people like to discuss character arcs, hidden meanings and allegories, effect of the soundtrack and photography. Some people just like action. Neither is wrong

No, neither is wrong, but for those who watch just for the action to tell the people who look for arcs, meanings and whatever that they're doing it wrong is galling. 

 

Look, it's fine if someone calls it defensive, I don't think it's particular specific but whatever, I do mind if someone says I'm wrong for calling it a Low Block. 

[ackas 311]

6 minutes ago, Alex said:

Well the concept of total football is based around players moving around and positions being interchangeable, rather than rigid. But equally the football played by Ajax, The Netherlands and Feyenoord back then was based around a high press and winning the ball high up the pitch. But even as a relatively recent concept it’s been used since the early 90s. Almost certainly due to the change in the back pass law

 

Don't disagree, but in this country its only been mainstream for a relatively short period of time.

Its not something you'd associate with Ferguson, and his teams dominated the game here for 15-20 years.

Klopp and Pep sides do it and others, like Leeds under Bielsa, and now us under Eddie.

 

I think you are right about the back pass law and I'd add the improvement in modern pitches also makes it more viable as the vast majority of teams dont play route one football any more.

[The Fish 10849]

7 minutes ago, Alex said:

Fish further demonstrating were bothered but he isn’t 

To be fair, I just used the term, it was Tom and then others who threw a geriatric fit because it wasn't the same term used 40yrs ago or whatever. 

[Rayvin 5217]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

 

Pretty condescending there Rayvin. I'm not less informed because I don't cling to the remnants of outdated language. I use some of the language the experts use, because they're using straightforward terms to describe larger concepts. 

 

For christ sake, man  I have the utmost respect for your knowledge of the game, it far exceeds my own I am quite sure. I thought that would go without saying.

 

I wasn't calling you less informed. I can see how you've read it that way but that's simply because I didn't make sufficient clarifications on my post. There are of course other groups of people who will enjoy talking about football at a technical level using these terms - you use these terms because you find them easier in the communication of abstract concepts to others - that's fine - but I imagine you'd understand these concepts without those terms too. Therefore, the language makes it easier to communicate the ideas outside of specialised groups more so than within them (it may well help within them, but only if everyone agrees on a shared meaning, and if it doesn't lead to 3 pages of back and forth  ).

 

It wasn't a holistic case spanning all demographics, it was simply a single point that was actually supposed to be supportive of your position.

[Rayvin 5217]

Starting to feel like Evolution of Language 101 in here. Did we have a game yesterday, feels like a distant memory now...

[The Fish 10849]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

For christ sake, man  I have the utmost respect for your knowledge of the game, it far exceeds my own I am quite sure. I thought that would go without saying.

 

I wasn't calling you less informed. I can see how you've read it that way but that's simply because I didn't make sufficient clarifications on my post. There are of course other groups of people who will enjoy talking about football at a technical level using these terms - you use these terms because you find them easier in the communication of abstract concepts to others - that's fine - but I imagine you'd understand these concepts without those terms too. Therefore, the language makes it easier to communicate the ideas outside of specialised groups more so than within them (it may well help within them, but only if everyone agrees on a shared meaning, and if it doesn't lead to 3 pages of back and forth  ).

 

It wasn't a holistic case spanning all demographics, it was simply a single point that was actually supposed to be supportive of your position.

 

Makes you yearn for a clearly defined term for a larger concept... doesn't it?

[Tom 14011]

SHUT UP FISH 

 

[Rayvin 5217]

Just now, The Fish said:

 

Makes you yearn for a clearly defined term for a larger concept... doesn't it?

 

On the contrary, I would have hoped someone with your social expertise would have appreciated the concept I was putting forward at an abstract level  

[The Fish 10849]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

On the contrary, I would have hoped someone with your social expertise would have appreciated the concept I was putting forward at an abstract level  

Gonna take a leaf out of your book and apologise. This cavalcade of crusty cunts have me on the defensive. 

 

What's a low block? 

It's this

Eurgh I don't wannnna leeaaarn 

[Craig 6682]

[Alex 35060]

4 minutes ago, ackas said:

 

Don't disagree, but in this country its only been mainstream for a relatively short period of time.

Its not something you'd associate with Ferguson, and his teams dominated the game here for 15-20 years.

Klopp and Pep sides do it and others, like Leeds under Bielsa, and now us under Eddie.

 

I think you are right about the back pass law and I'd add the improvement in modern pitches also makes it more viable as the vast majority of teams dont play route one football any more.

Ferguson’s Man Utd had a few different incarnations but they definitely had sides that were good at winning the ball high up the pitch. Agree with what you say on the whole though. I think modern pitches (with UV lighting so they’re good all the time) and fitness levels are a massive factor. It’ll go out of vogue, for more possession based football (or whatever), then no doubt come back again. 

[Rayvin 5217]

7 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Gonna take a leaf out of your book and apologise. This cavalcade of crusty cunts have me on the defensive. 

 

What's a low block? 

It's this

Eurgh I don't wannnna leeaaarn 

 

I honestly believe that this process of going round the houses with you about certain minor details in your posting is how a lot of people on here show affection for you

[PaddockLad 17241]

8 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Gonna take a leaf out of your book and apologise. This cavalcade of crusty cunts have me on the defensive. 

 

What's a low block? 

It's this

Eurgh I don't wannnna leeaaarn 

Oh it’s all about calling things by a new name is it Dave?  

 

Your trouble is mate is that you’re looking down your nose at people. It doesn’t make you a bad person, but you’re going to get a bit of blow back. But that’s the main reason some of us are here, so it’s all fine  

[trophyshy 7083]

[The Fish 10849]

1 minute ago, PaddockLad said:

Oh it’s all about calling things by a new name is it Dave?  

 

Your trouble is mate is that you’re looking down your nose at people. It doesn’t make you a bad person, but you’re going to get a bit of blow back. But that’s the main reason some of us are here, so it’s all fine  

No, I'm not. If someone had said "We've got to get through two banks of four" I wouldn't have blinked and the last 4 pages of this thread would have been Jacob Murphy memes. I say Low Block and everyone loses their minds. I said "Low block", then people were incredulous and derisory about it. I defended it and myself. Nobody's been able to explain why else people would push back on simple shit like 'low block' or whatever. 

 

 

[Howmanheyman 33121]

High press was definitely around in the 70s, evolved into Sta Press in the early 80s turning into 'Put 'em under pressure' press in the late 80s. 

[ewerk 30550]

17 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I honestly believe that this process of going round the houses with you about certain minor details in your posting is how a lot of people on here show affection for you

 

Well then he's had a virtual bukkake session this morning.

[The Fish 10849]

18 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I honestly believe that this process of going round the houses with you about certain minor details in your posting is how a lot of people on here show affection for you

Couldn't they just give me a fucking cake?

[PaddockLad 17241]

Just now, The Fish said:

No, I'm not. If someone had said "We've got to get through two banks of four" I wouldn't have blinked and the last 4 pages of this thread would have been Jacob Murphy memes. I say Low Block and everyone loses their minds. I said "Low block", then people were incredulous and derisory about it. I defended it and myself. Nobody's been able to explain why else people would push back on simple shit like 'low block' or whatever. 

 

 

Thing is “cavalcade of crusty cunts” somewhat gives the lie to that notion

 

I feel that you think that because we’re old therefore our thinking on the game is out of date. It’s not. We’ve shown you but you ignore it. I have no objection to whatever  you want to call things but I do get the impression that you don’t like it when someone goes “eh?”  when you’re on a word flourish 🤷🏻‍♂️

[The Fish 10849]

Just now, PaddockLad said:

Thing is “cavalcade of crusty cunts” somewhat gives the lie to that notion

 

I feel that you think that because we’re old therefore our thinking on the game is out of date. It’s not. We’ve shown you but you ignore it. I have no objection to whatever  you want to call things but I do get the impression that you don’t like it when someone goes “eh?”  when you’re on a word flourish 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Cavalcade of crusty cunts came after how many pages of shit?

 

No, I don't care that you're old. I care when the explanation after the "eh?" is met with derision and abuse. 

 

I get a lot of shit on here and honestly, that's fine and I enjoy the attention, but you can't clutch your pearls when I give some shit back.