nathan jone's flock of rather nervous hampshire sheep v eddie howe's brokendollless swashbuckling semi-finalists.

[Gemmill 44804]

I don't WANT to know new things. I like knowing my OLD things.

 

If these lads were 20 years older they'd be pining for a return to imperial measures.

 

[Toonpack 9385]

20 minutes ago, ewerk said:

And still no one can answer the question whether Hugo Viana was indeed a regista?

 

I dunno but Adam Johnson is on one

[Toonpack 9385]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

I don't WANT to know new things. I like knowing my OLD things.

 

If these lads were 20 years older they'd be pining for a return to imperial measures.

 

 

That's the point it's NOT new, it's the same, simply rebranded.

[Gemmill 44804]

Like those pesky KILOGRAMS. It doesn't weigh anymore, so why do I need to learn a new thing. 

 

It allows people to discuss things using common terms. There's nothing wrong with it ffs. 

[trophyshy 7083]

Bring back Marathons! 

[Tom 14011]

Bring back Capital punishment! #COYI 🔨 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[PaddockLad 17241]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Like those pesky KILOGRAMS. It doesn't weigh anymore, so why do I need to learn a new thing. 

 

It allows people to discuss things using common terms. There's nothing wrong with it ffs. 

Agreed. Some people seem to think new name = new thing though. That’s when some of us get accused of being somewhat somewhat behind the times…. Kilograms and pounds measure the same thing using a different scale, so that’s a bullshit comparison. Yet more misrepresenting. I could go on but Craig’s will to live is now on life support so I’ll leave it there

[Alex 35059]

12 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I don't WANT to know new things. I like knowing my OLD things.

 

If these lads were 20 years older they'd be pining for a return to imperial measures.

 

What’s new about the low block (except its name)? 

[Tom 14011]

I’m going to start referring to it as a “compressed retreat” and call anyone who doesn’t join in an idiot. 
 

“Low block eh? I guess this chump doesn’t subscribe to mundial!”

[Gemmill 44804]

The fact that it's a common term that all but the terminally obstinate can understand/use to discuss football.

 

[ackas 311]

2 minutes ago, Alex said:

What’s new about the low block (except its name)? 

 

Low block is just parking the bus

High press is a relatively recent thing though surely?

I dont remember seeing much of that before the last 5-10 years

[Alex 35059]

Just now, ackas said:

 

Low block is just parking the bus

High press is a relatively recent thing though surely?

I dont remember seeing much of that before the last 5-10 years

High press has been used since at least the 70s 

[Toonpack 9385]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

High press has been used since at least the 70s 

 

Definitely, I met the Mrs in 1979 and until I showed her how to adjust the height of the Ironing board, it's all she ever did.

[Rayvin 5217]

Fuck me

 

You wouldn't have believe we'd just won the away leg of our first semi final in years on the reading of this thread...

 

I've never heard of a low block but if it helps Fish sleep at night, more power to him. Defining abstract concepts does tend to help people who are less informed though, so maybe for the veteran, seasoned fans of the game it's needless - but for the younger generation or more casual observers I can see it having some merit.

[Alex 35059]

Just now, Rayvin said:

Fuck me

 

You wouldn't have believe we'd just won the away leg of our first semi final in years on the reading of this thread...

 

I've never heard of a low block but if it helps Fish sleep at night, more power to him. Defining abstract concepts does tend to help people who are less informed though, so maybe for the veteran, seasoned fans of the game it's needless - but for the younger generation or more casual observers I can see it having some merit.

Look at you, coming in here and being all reasonable about it 

[spongebob toonpants 3994]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Fuck me

 

You wouldn't have believe we'd just won the away leg of our first semi final in years on the reading of this thread...

 

I've never heard of a low block but if it helps Fish sleep at night, more power to him. Defining abstract concepts does tend to help people who are less informed though, so maybe for the veteran, seasoned fans of the game it's needless - but for the younger generation or more casual observers I can see it having some merit.

 

[PaddockLad 17241]

3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Fuck me

 

You wouldn't have believe we'd just won the away leg of our first semi final in years on the reading of this thread...

 

I've never heard of a low block but if it helps Fish sleep at night, more power to him. Defining abstract concepts does tend to help people who are less informed though, so maybe for the veteran, seasoned fans of the game it's needless - but for the younger generation or more casual observers I can see it having some merit.

Rayvin, regularly best poster on this forum  🤣

[ackas 311]

2 minutes ago, Alex said:

High press has been used since at least the 70s 

 

I'm obviously confused as to what a high press is then

Can't imagine it was that successful in the 70s and 80s when most teams played some variation of hoofball to a Mick Harford/John Fashanu type centre forward on a pitch that resembled a farmers field

 

 

[Craig 6682]

1 minute ago, ackas said:

I'm obviously confused as to what a high press is then

 

You're welcome

 

[Alex 35059]

6 minutes ago, ackas said:

 

I'm obviously confused as to what a high press is then

Can't imagine it was that successful in the 70s and 80s when most teams played some variation of hoofball to a Mick Harford/John Fashanu type centre forward on a pitch that resembled a farmers field

 

 

Aye, Ajax were shite in the 70s 👍🏻

[spongebob toonpants 3994]

20 minutes ago, ackas said:

 

I'm obviously confused as to what a high press is then

Can't imagine it was that successful in the 70s and 80s when most teams played some variation of hoofball to a Mick Harford/John Fashanu type centre forward on a pitch that resembled a farmers field

 

 

Here is an article about Luverpool in the 70's and 80's describing a "high press" with Ian Rush as the first defender.

Proves everybody's point to be honest, people knew about defending from the front, but high press is now accepted as shorthand for the same thing.

Language evolves, sometimes it explains better, sometimes it's just different words for the same thing

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2003/mar/16/sport.comment1

Edited January 25, 2023 by spongebob toonpants
Added the article

[The Fish 10849]

39 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

“Gengenpressing” 

 

“Git fuckin intae thum in their half, back each other up” 

 

Thats how Alex Ferguson could be taught how to play football in the 50s and still be winning champions leagues 50 years later, you still have to do the same things to win a game of football 👍

Getting into them isn't pressing the opponent within seconds of losing the ball. Allardyce's team, Stoke's teams would 'get into them' but they're not gegenpressing are they?

 

As Strawb says, it's not reinventing the wheel, it's just using language to better describe things. 

 

I guess what I don't understand, and I mean this genuinely, I don't understand why it bothers anybody? I used to say I watched a match online, now I stream it. I used to text people, now I message them. I used to search on the internet, now I google it. Haaland, Vardy, Aguero and Salah would all have been called strikers, now they'd be called Striker, poacher, False 9, and wide forward. ASM and Almiron would be called wingers. Bruno and Joelinton would both be called centre mids, but they're not the same are they?

 

So, given all that, why not use a term or phrase that better explains what they do? Genuinely, why?

[ackas 311]

3 minutes ago, Alex said:

Aye, Ajax were shite in the 70s 👍🏻

 

Ok, it wasn't that mainstream or popular in the 70s ☺️
I'll always associate 70s Ajax with the concept of total football, rather than pressing

Anyway, I enjoy watching us high pressing or closing teams down or whatever its called

 

[Toonpack 9385]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

 

So, given all that, why not use a term or phrase that better explains what they do? Genuinely, why?

 

Because it doesn't

[The Fish 10849]

18 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Fuck me

 

You wouldn't have believe we'd just won the away leg of our first semi final in years on the reading of this thread...

 

I've never heard of a low block but if it helps Fish sleep at night, more power to him. Defining abstract concepts does tend to help people who are less informed though, so maybe for the veteran, seasoned fans of the game it's needless - but for the younger generation or more casual observers I can see it having some merit.

 

Pretty condescending there Rayvin. I'm not less informed because I don't cling to the remnants of outdated language. I use some of the language the experts use, because they're using straightforward terms to describe larger concepts.