Alexander Isak

[Dr Gloom 23385]

13 minutes ago, The Fish said:

I love the romantic view of the world and wish it were true, but Isak, Bruno and the others would push our League Cup chances into the bin if Real Madrid came along with a £500k per week contract.

 

well obvs, yeah. and i think we will lose isak and bruno eventually. we are still a stepping stone club for the likes of real madrid. arsenal? i'm not so sure. if we finish top four again we'll have to start paying our top players close to what arsenal pay theirs. 

 

but when they do go, i hope it's somewhere like real, and that they win a trophy with us first. i genuinely believe bruno is motivated by that and he will consider his time at nufc a failure if he doesn't win us a trophy before departing for man city or wherever. 

 

either that or he's a badge-kissing, child-carrying fraud #paddocklad

[Holden McGroin 7406]

They only have a short career so will look to maximise income. It's not only the weekly wage but they'd get a fat signing on fee when moving as well.

 

They are only an injury away from being their last contract.

[Holden McGroin 7406]

To caveat that I think players look back retrospectively and say the best time they had was at X and are proud to have played for that club. I think players like Colo and Jonas think that way. They may not have had that feeling when in the moment though.

[Gemmill 49230]

2 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

They only have a short career so will look to maximise income. It's not only the weekly wage but they'd get a fat signing on fee when moving as well.

 

They are only an injury away from being their last contract.

 

Sponsor tie-ins as well and endorsements. Their earning potential dramatically increases at a bigger, global brand club. 

[wykikitoon 22489]

Whats he on currently with us?  Most of the big clubs globally would double his wages easily 

[Dr Gloom 23385]

58 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Whats he on currently with us?  Most of the big clubs globally would double his wages easily 

 

a quick google suggests bruno is our top earner on £160k per week though fuck knows how accurate those figures are. if we want isak to sign a new deal, you'd imagine it would take something north of £200k per week to persuade him

[wykikitoon 22489]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

a quick google suggests bruno is our top earner on £160k per week though fuck knows how accurate those figures are. if we want isak to sign a new deal, you'd imagine it would take something north of £200k per week to persuade him

So Kelly is one of our top earners?

[Dr Gloom 23385]

12 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

So Kelly is one of our top earners?

this is the data across various sites. Fuck knows if it’s accurate 

 

 

[wykikitoon 22489]

£150k for Kelly  Casey make that?

So Isak should IMO be inline at least with Bruno.  He can easily earn double elsewhere and those clubs paying that are ones that are going for trophies on a more consistent basis than us.  Thats the harsh reality.

[Gemmill 49230]

Is there a column that shows what they're earning in Club Legend Bucks? 

[Dr Gloom 23385]

5 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

£150k for Kelly  Casey make that?

So Isak should IMO be inline at least with Bruno.  He can easily earn double elsewhere and those clubs paying that are ones that are going for trophies on a more consistent basis than us.  Thats the harsh reality.

 

fuck knows where they found the data, or if it's accurate, but it's the same across a bunch of different sites 

Edited January 23 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 23385]

Just now, Gemmill said:

Is there a column that shows what they're earning in Club Legend Bucks? 

 

you can't put a price on that. 

[Dougle 3656]

2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said:

They only have a short career so will look to maximise income. It's not only the weekly wage but they'd get a fat signing on fee when moving as well.

 

They are only an injury away from being their last contract.

 

This is one of the biggest fallacies in football. A modest wage for a premier league player at £20k per week would earn £10 million in their 10 prime years between 20 and 30.

We all know that there are so many more financial benefits and a player like Isak or Bruno will make a hell of a lot more in their ‘short career’

How much did you make in your youth? I assume it was a lot less than 10 million quid like.

Look at the likes of Shearer, Lineker, Jenas (oh dear), Carrrrrrrager etc etc for one career path after the playing days, or all the bloody managers who have banked millions since they took off their boots.

Edited January 23 by Dougle

[wykikitoon 22489]

28 minutes ago, Dougle said:

 

This is one of the biggest fallacies in football. A modest wage for a premier league player at £20k per week would earn £10 million in their 10 prime years between 20 and 30.

We all know that there are so many more financial benefits and a player like Isak or Bruno will make a hell of a lot more in their ‘short career’

How much did you make in your youth? I assume it was a lot less than 10 million quid like.

Look at the likes of Shearer, Lineker, Jenas (oh dear), Carrrrrrrager etc etc for one career path after the playing days, or all the bloody managers who have banked millions since they took off their boots.

 

Oh dear. Tell me you don't understand personal finance without telling me you don't understand personal finance.

 

[The Fish 11304]

29 minutes ago, Dougle said:

 

This is one of the biggest fallacies in football. A modest wage for a premier league player at £20k per week would earn £10 million in their 10 prime years between 20 and 30.

We all know that there are so many more financial benefits and a player like Isak or Bruno will make a hell of a lot more in their ‘short career’

How much did you make in your youth? I assume it was a lot less than 10 million quid like.

Look at the likes of Shearer, Lineker, Jenas (oh dear), Carrrrrrrager etc etc for one career path after the playing days, or all the bloody managers who have banked millions since they took off their boots.

 

Hang on, how many footballers play for a decade in the Premier League? It's way more likely that for the vast majority their top flight career will be shorter even than 10 years. 

 

Then you have to factor in the cost of living for a PL footballer. If they rent a property in the popular "Golden Triangle" area of the North West, they could be paying up to £8k a week for a house. Plus renting a flash car and all the other things too. 

[Dougle 3656]

35 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Hang on, how many footballers play for a decade in the Premier League? It's way more likely that for the vast majority their top flight career will be shorter even than 10 years. 

 

Then you have to factor in the cost of living for a PL footballer. If they rent a property in the popular "Golden Triangle" area of the North West, they could be paying up to £8k a week for a house. Plus renting a flash car and all the other things too. 

But we are talking about premiership level players here yeah?

And no-one has to buy a flash car etc, fucking hell man can people not take responsibility in and for their own lives?

No doubt all these lads at a high level in the game are given professional advice.

I dunno like I just think this “short career” thing is a cliché. Sorry to offend.

Peace

[Holden McGroin 7406]

12 minutes ago, Dougle said:

But we are talking about premiership level players here yeah?

 

And no-one has to buy a flash car etc, fucking hell man can people not take responsibility in and for their own lives?

 

No doubt all these lads at a high level in the game are given professional advice.

 

I dunno like I just think this “short career” thing is a cliché. Sorry to offend.

 

Peace

 

 

Players have a short amount of time to make a lot of money. They are also one bad injury away from not playing again or having to drop lots of levels (and income). I listen to a lot of ex-footballer podcasts and a lot of them spend the money as it comes in, like we do. It's the same, just at a different level.

 

I think the players get advice more now than they did 20-25 years ago but it doesn't mean they'll take it. A lot of them are flash kids that love the limelight.  There are always exceptions though. I think Fowler bought half the property in Liverpool with his money.

Edited January 23 by Holden McGroin

[The Fish 11304]

6 minutes ago, Dougle said:

But we are talking about premiership level players here yeah?

 

And no-one has to buy a flash car etc, fucking hell man can people not take responsibility in and for their own lives?

 

No doubt all these lads at a high level in the game are given professional advice.

 

I dunno like I just think this “short career” thing is a cliché. Sorry to offend.

 

Peace

 

 

It's not like.

 

What's your average person's career? 30 years? 50 years?

And what happens to the average career if you blow out your knee, or whatever? 

 

And no, you don't have to buy a flash car, but can you let me know how many Premier League footballers drive about in a Kia Ceed, or a Honda Jazz? 

 

And you have offended me Dougle, you've offended me to my very core. I will not rest until my honour is satisfied.

 

[Gemmill 49230]

Average career of a Premier League footballer is 8 years apparently. According to the Internet. 

 

I assume that's the average time a footballer that makes it to the PL lasts in the PL, rather than their full career length. 

 

Not a lot of time, which is all the more reason for them to want to make as much as possible while they're there. 

[Rayvin 5868]

Aside from this point about the players needing to move on for their own career... is it not also true that, whisper it, we might need them to move on in order to develop within PSR? Developing players, something Howe is very good at, and selling them on in order to restart the cycle, is probably the only way we can realistically move ourselves to the level we need to be at. Which depressingly feels like the Ashley model all over again, but at least with this lot the aim is to improve rather than stand still. I mean I think that's the reality for all clubs bar those at the absolute pinnacle of the game, frankly.

[Dr Gloom 23385]

13 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Aside from this point about the players needing to move on for their own career... is it not also true that, whisper it, we might need them to move on in order to develop within PSR? Developing players, something Howe is very good at, and selling them on in order to restart the cycle, is probably the only way we can realistically move ourselves to the level we need to be at. Which depressingly feels like the Ashley model all over again, but at least with this lot the aim is to improve rather than stand still. I mean I think that's the reality for all clubs bar those at the absolute pinnacle of the game, frankly.

 

you're right, but i'd counter that by saying the saudis stated aim is to be number one. they will want to save face and are unlikely to sanction the sale of our prize assets if they can find another way. feels like they have been keeping their powder dry and playing by the rules for a while now. whether they continue to play nice with this long-game strategy or start to flex their muscles remains to be seen. this approach so far is quite unlike how they have disrupted other sports or how they throw their weight around with their other business interests. 

[ewerk 32810]

Aye, look at Liverpool, they’re still spending the Coutinho money.

[Dr Gloom 23385]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

Aye, look at Liverpool, they’re still spending the Coutinho money.

 

[Rayvin 5868]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

you're right, but i'd counter that by saying the saudis stated aim is to be number one. they will want to save face and are unlikely to sanction the sale of our prize assets if they can find another way. feels like they have been keeping their powder dry and playing by the rules for a while now. whether they continue to play nice with this long-game strategy or start to flex their muscles remains to be seen. this approach so far is quite unlike how they have disrupted other sports or how they throw their weight around with their other business interests. 

 

The issue though is how much they really care about us at the heart of all this? They have the world cup, they've got high profile players going to Saudi.. I feel like any genuine desire to push us forward into the grey areas would have to come from internal leadership at the club and be signed off by the Saudis, rather than pushed by them. I think they're good owners from a purely football POV, but I'm not sure how big a deal we really are for them in the end.

[Dr Gloom 23385]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

The issue though is how much they really care about us at the heart of all this? They have the world cup, they've got high profile players going to Saudi.. I feel like any genuine desire to push us forward into the grey areas would have to come from internal leadership at the club and be signed off by the Saudis, rather than pushed by them. I think they're good owners from a purely football POV, but I'm not sure how big a deal we really are for them in the end.

 

i dunno. we are a tiny part of the PIF portfolio but i don't buy the argument i've read online that they're losing interest because of the financial regulations. the club also just announced the appointment of a senior PIF bloke to the board of directors. i don't know how much you can read into that. a new super stadum would be more of a statement of intent. we can probably be reassured if they announce a new state-of-the-art ground on leazes park