Holden McGroin 6128 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Wilson has been off the pace recently so it will be interesting if he sticks with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8453 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 40 minutes ago, toonotl said: I don't think that Howe will have reached the point where he's questioning his loyalty to the starting XI that has largely got us to this point in the season. Isak would be closer to starting than ASM as I see it as nothing would be lost in terms of defensive effort. But I think Wilson will be shown loyalty for his early season form (and probably rightly so at this stage). Howe has said that he's mindful that Wilson has lacked training ground time in recent months owing to the WC and the illness he had when he returned from Qatar. I think this is a hint that Howe backs Wilson to get a goal and get back to his early season form. I think that Wilson deserves such a show of faith for previous performances. I especially don't think we'll see ASM into the starting lineup away from home in such an important game. Howe talks a lot about 'not disrupting the balance of the side' when it comes to making changes and I think this largely relates to his view that it isn't worth sacrificing our defensive shape and workrate for a more aggressive formation or the introduction of the flair of ASM (at least not yet) and I tend to agree with him. The return leg at home may be another story, especially if we need a win. The players that have been starting have earned Howe's patience and loyalty. And I would argue they've earned the same from us as supporters. We're third in the league for crying out loud with a team that is playing above themselves and playing largely without support from a full squad given the lack of depth that we have in the 25-man group. I think solidarity with the starting XI is the best course of action at the moment. nowt much wrong with any of that, although i think it's probably pushing it a bit to suggest it would be disloyal of the supporters to want to see isak given a chance at starting at southampton. wilson's clearly not firing on all cylinders, the pre world cup version would've probably buried his two first half chances against fulham, certainly the second. id rest wilson and give isak a start on tuesday, he might just provide the spark for that elusive first half goal! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3215 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Aye what’s the point in trying to build a great squad if we only play players due to ‘loyalty’. We play to win surely, it’s not about sentimentality . Folk were howling at Southgate for the loyalty thing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3215 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 To add to that, we’ve scored one goal in the last four league games (Isak) and Wilson last scored in October. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2813 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: nowt much wrong with any of that, although i think it's probably pushing it a bit to suggest it would be disloyal of the supporters to want to see isak given a chance at starting at southampton. wilson's clearly not firing on all cylinders, the pre world cup version would've probably buried his two first half chances against fulham, certainly the second. id rest wilson and give isak a start on tuesday, he might just provide the spark for that elusive first half goal! Fair enough. But I'm not suggesting that a supporter wanting to see Isak start at Southampton should be deemed to be displaying disloyalty to Wilson. A supporter can want anything they like and I can certainly understand why some may want to see Isak get a start without it being necessarily a condemnation of Wilson's performances or ability. I think you might be suggesting (or at least suggesting that I think) that a failure to show loyalty constitutes a display of disloyalty. I don't think that at all. It isn't really a binary operation as I conceive of it. What I am saying is: I think Wilson deserves a show of faith. If he doesn't get that it does not necessarily constitute a show of a lack of faith instead but rather simply a lack of a show of faith. Anyway, splitting hairs perhaps but words are important and annoyingly imprecise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8453 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, toonotl said: Fair enough. But I'm not suggesting that a supporter wanting to see Isak start at Southampton should be deemed to be displaying disloyalty to Wilson. A supporter can want anything they like and I can certainly understand why some may want to see Isak get a start without it being necessarily a condemnation of Wilson's performances or ability. I think you might be suggesting (or at least suggesting that I think) that a failure to show loyalty constitutes a display of disloyalty. I don't think that at all. It isn't really a binary operation as I conceive of it. What I am saying is: I think Wilson deserves a show of faith. If he doesn't get that it does not necessarily constitute a show of a lack of faith instead but rather simply a lack of a show of faith. Anyway, splitting hairs perhaps but words are important and annoyingly imprecise. thank fuck you cleared that up! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2813 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, Dougle said: Aye what’s the point in trying to build a great squad if we only play players due to ‘loyalty’. We play to win surely, it’s not about sentimentality . Folk were howling at Southgate for the loyalty thing. Are you suggesting that I am arguing that we should 'only play players due to "loyalty"'? To be clear: I think that a show of loyalty can be a catalyst toward producing good performances and good results. I don't think this is controversial. It would seem that the contention should be about the degree of loyalty shown to players who are underperforming not whether or not loyalty should be shown at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3215 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I am simply saying ‘loyalty’ should not come at the cost of points, or in this case the chance to progress to a domestic cup final. That is it. Yes show loyalty to players but not at the cost of the team or club. Aye let’s show Callum some loyalty, if we don’t progress because we can’t score never mind ay? At least we have shown LOYALTY to the big lad. And there's lways next year (again) Howay man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2813 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I think we agree then because I also don't think loyalty should be put before results. Glad that's sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toonotl 2813 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) I'll hold my hands up on this one. Prior to the game, I thought Wilson deserved to start and get another chance to prove that he deserves to keep his spot in the team. I think the time has come now though as he was below par again. Wilson looks like he needs a spell to regain a bit of hunger in front of the goal. Isak came on and changed the game. I don't think it was so much related to Southampton tiring either. Isak is simply on a different level at the moment. He has to start the next match. Edited January 25, 2023 by toonotl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6547 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19147 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Dafuq. Is that a petrol can he's got too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29211 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 IN OTHER NEWS: Man walks dog. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42030 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 7 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Dafuq. Is that a petrol can he's got too? He's been watching Happy Valley. Big TLR fan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19147 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: He's been watching Happy Valley. Big TLR fan. You're deffo a fan using TLR. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7009 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 12 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Dafuq. Is that a petrol can he's got too? It's the bag he carries his trumpet and jars full of dreams in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco 727 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 That dog looks a vicious bastard......Is he living in Benwell🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13996 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 13 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Dafuq. Is that a petrol can he's got too? Bag of cans 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2884 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Howe: “I want to clear this up. Isak is fit to play 90 mins for another team, but just not to my style of play and what I demand. It was no slight on him. He’s very fit.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1174 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 On 10/02/2023 at 19:34, Craig said: What a disgusting extension, unbelievable how that got granted permission. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howay 12496 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 He looks a real threat, I like how direct he is and how he’s always looking for the positive move or ball. His pace is fucking blistering, once we improve our central midfield so they’re making that through ball to him more consistently defences are going to have fucking nightmares. Only 23 as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3907 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Was just making those points on the other thread. Love watching him play. His movement is outstanding and he seems to have a decent head on him. We talk about how he may not be an out and out no.9 but today's header was proper centre forwards' goal. Looks like he's got a bit of everything in his locker. Early days but easy to see why we splunked $65M on him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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