2024/25 - Generic NUFC Chat. Cunts ☑️

[ewerk 32871]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I trust Edwards' track record enough to think he'll be good for us. It'll just take time. 

Luke? Is he playing at the weekend?

[Dr Gloom 23395]

2 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

 If it comes to it, I support Eddie, but I think we have a mountain out of a molehill.

I think you’re probably right and Mitchell has just made the mistake of clumsily trying to manage up in public. He’s clearly not as clever as he thinks he is but I sincerely want him to succeed in the role he was hired to do. He does arrive with a good reputation so here’s hoping they bury the hatchet, keep this shit behind closed doors from now on and he works well with Howe. I think that’s what we all want - apart from the knackers on twitter who still want Howe out 

[Dr Gloom 23395]

7 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Luke? Is he playing at the weekend?

No - chicken, wine and creepy dancing is on the agenda this Saturday 

 

[Dr Gloom 23395]

28 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

Then you must have fucking loved Ashworth from day dot then. He was a jargon bingo specialist

Seven spokes of the wheel wanker  

[Dr Gloom 23395]

48 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

For those that want to read Douglas's Article

 

https://archive.is/yqQMf

 

Some takeouts

 

 

 

That one there you could read as a dig at eddie and him wanting a Premier League experienced defender. But this is also Eddie Howe who wanted Sven Botman.

 

 

Gordon, Isak, Botman, Bruno and Tonali are the most high-profile signings under Howe. Only one of them is English with premier league experience. And even he was one with potential rather than an established elite player. 

[Toonpack 11165]

 

 

[strawb 4614]

4 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Some workplace snowflakes itt. 

 

 

"Oh my. The CEO said that whilst he was happy with this year's profits, we need to do better next year. I have NEVER been so offended in all my life."

Lot of people who have never had criticism from their boss tbh. Grow a pair and speak to each other about it

[The Fish 11306]

18 hours ago, ewerk said:

 

Last season we were in the CL. That was the time to come out with the dodgy deals and try to explain everything away by saying we're a CL club now. Instead it looks like we're far to scared to even test the associated party rules and the taps of untold wealth. 

 

For example, why are our shirt deals worth nearly half of Tottenham's?

 

Because Tottenham have been established as one of the PL's 'elite' clubs for some time now. Because they have a commercial department that is more than a few years old. Their previous deal with Aurasma was worth £10m a season, and the monster deal signed with AIA back in 2019 just after they finished as CL runner up, moved into their brand spanking new stadium, had one of the most highly regarded managers in world football, etc.

[Holden McGroin 7458]

12 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Because Tottenham have been established as one of the PL's 'elite' clubs for some time now. Because they have a commercial department that is more than a few years old. Their previous deal with Aurasma was worth £10m a season, and the monster deal signed with AIA back in 2019 just after they finished as CL runner up, moved into their brand spanking new stadium, had one of the most highly regarded managers in world football, etc.

sounds like we have a secret Spurs fan on the forum.

 

[ewerk 32871]

22 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Because Tottenham have been established as one of the PL's 'elite' clubs for some time now. Because they have a commercial department that is more than a few years old. Their previous deal with Aurasma was worth £10m a season, and the monster deal signed with AIA back in 2019 just after they finished as CL runner up, moved into their brand spanking new stadium, had one of the most highly regarded managers in world football, etc.

 

 

Awwww, look at you still fighting yesterday's war like a little Japanese soldier marooned on an island.

[Gemmill 49356]

25 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Because Tottenham have been established as one of the PL's 'elite' clubs for some time now. Because they have a commercial department that is more than a few years old. Their previous deal with Aurasma was worth £10m a season, and the monster deal signed with AIA back in 2019 just after they finished as CL runner up, moved into their brand spanking new stadium, had one of the most highly regarded managers in world football, etc.

 

 

👆ewerk

[The Fish 11306]

15 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

sounds like we have a secret Spurs fan on the forum.

 

 you rascal.

[The Fish 11306]

4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

 

Awwww, look at you still fighting yesterday's war like a little Japanese soldier marooned on an island.

Dunno about you, but I keep dancing til the music stops.

[RobinRobin 12341]

46 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Dunno about you, but I keep dancing til the music stops.

 

[OTF 8307]

14 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

I think you’re probably right and Mitchell has just made the mistake of clumsily trying to manage up in public. He’s clearly not as clever as he thinks he is but I sincerely want him to succeed in the role he was hired to do. He does arrive with a good reputation so here’s hoping they bury the hatchet, keep this shit behind closed doors from now on and he works well with Howe. I think that’s what we all want - apart from the knackers on twitter who still want Howe out 

He certainly doesn't come across as clever, let's just hope he's good at getting deals done.

 

His comparisons to elite clubs's strategies are misguided at best because such clubs are making transfers from a pre-existing platform of top quality players (with high wages) and facilities and huge commercial backing where as two and a half years ago we started with a squad bound for relegation (second bottom of the table deep into November) championship tier coaching, a barebones staff, run down behind the curve training facilities and hopelessly poor commercials. The first thing that needed to be done was improve the quality of the team to achieve the first target of avoiding relegation. Objective exceeded. The next was to improve the team further to compete for Europe. Objective exceeded. This has given us a legitimate springboard to improve our commercials beyond reasonable expectation in such a short period of time (without any obvious dodgy Man City style sponsorship dealings). Objective exceeded. The next objective was to bolster our squad for an extremely busy calendar with the addition of European games. Despite some great results a combination of an injury crisis (+ a lengthy suspension), European inexperience and inexplicably poor officiating saw us fail to qualify beyond the group stages. Tough break but who will forget us pumping PSG? The injury crisis hurt us in the league massively and through a cruel FA Cup twist we missed out on all European competition. That said we were never realistically in the running for Champions League so in some ways not having to play in a lesser European competition will improve our chances of qualifying for Champions League this season. To call these transfer windows not fit for purpose is wrong. Our turn around from whipping boys to dynamic top 8 competitors was remarkably quick. As I said on the back of this we've been able to legitimately turn around our commercial outcomes which will do more to fuel further purchases than trying to buy young talent from a wider pool and onsell it within a season or two (which is what Mitchell is impying is required). It's in fact exactly what we did with Minteh, buying him from a Danish side, farming him out to a strong European team in a technical competition that suits his ability and then onselling him for a massive profit. That we needed to do that to satisfy PSR is a sign that we've not been able to sell.pther players that we've been stuck with from poor transfer dealing prior to the takeover. The only feasible alternative would have been buying fewer players. Say for example not getting Barnes or Gordon.

 

Recognising that we now must look to evolve our transfer strategies is not an acknowledgement that our previous transfer strategies were not fit for purpose. The positive writing is on the wall for those; we accelerated our transformation beyond any reasonable expectation given the financial constrainsts in which we were operating through recruiting a quality manager and staff and a series of players who vastly improved our playing roster and who not only fit in but also helped to establish a new and improved culture at the club. It's inexplicable that he called them not fit for purpose, there's no evidence of it. Sure we frustratingly had to lose two very promising young players, but Minteh hadn't player a single minute for us and Anderson, despite looking super promising hasn't shown significant end product in his many opportunities and was down the pecking order so not likely to get big minutes. 

 

Mitchell's attempts at buying Guehi don't bode well but Parish was clearly playing silly buggers there so we'll let that slide. Sporting Director is not someone we need to hear from, we will judge based on our overall operation, coaching, training and transfer dealings.

 

 

 

[Optimistic Nut 440]

7 hours ago, The Fish said:

Because Tottenham have been established as one of the PL's 'elite' clubs for some time now. Because they have a commercial department that is more than a few years old. Their previous deal with Aurasma was worth £10m a season, and the monster deal signed with AIA back in 2019 just after they finished as CL runner up, moved into their brand spanking new stadium, had one of the most highly regarded managers in world football, etc.

 

This is where I think FFP fails massively. Before Ashley, our commercial revenue was around 70-80% of what Spurs made. It was about 40-50% when he left us. Over 14 years that's 100s of £millions. 

 

If they insist on having FFP in play, there should be some consideration for a new ownership to be able to go to the PL and say here's what this club's is able to generate in revenue when we're not a cheap/free advertising board for Sports Direct, here's what we're capable of earning now. 

 

There should also maybe be a grace period for new ownerships where there's maybe a 3-5 years where they're able.to.invest in the club to bridge the gap. Not just saying this from an NUFC perspective either. Clubs like Leicester & Forest are being shafted for having the audacity to not settle for being a Norwich or Sheff Utd and having a go at it in the Premier League. Everton had a couple.of years where they really went for it, failed, and they've been ruined ever since. Yet clubs like Chelsea & Man Utd can finish upper mid-table.and spend £200m or so without even flinching. 

 

Bournemouth have wealthy owners who seem genuinely ambitious with a good model, yet because they're a small club and don't have the pull, they're always going to be a mid-table club at best because they'll always have FFP holding them back.

 

Clubs lower down the leagues like Wrexham and Birmingham who seem to have it all off the pitch will never be able to go all out if they ever did reach the top.

 

Sorry went off on a tangent there, Ashley's a cock. 

Edited September 18, 2024 by Optimistic Nut

[Dr Gloom 23395]

39 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

This is where I think FFP fails massively. Before Ashley, our commercial revenue was around 70-80% of what Spurs made. It was about 40-50% when he left us. Over 14 years that's 100s of £millions. 

 

If they insist on having FFP in play, there should be some consideration for a new ownership to be able to go to the PL and say here's what this club's is able to generate in revenue when we're not a cheap/free advertising board for Sports Direct, here's what we're capable of earning now. 

 

There should also maybe be a grace period for new ownerships where there's maybe a 3-5 years where they're able.to.invest in the club to bridge the gap. Not just saying this from an NUFC perspective either. Clubs like Leicester & Forest are being shafted for having the audacity to not settle for being a Norwich or Sheff Utd and having a go at it in the Premier League. Everton had a couple.of years where they really went for it, failed, and they've been ruined ever since. Yet clubs like Chelsea & Man Utd can finish upper mid-table.and spend £200m or so without even flinching. 

 

Bournemouth have wealthy owners who seem genuinely ambitious with a good model, yet because they're a small club and don't have the pull, they're always going to be a mid-table club at best because they'll always have FFP holding them back.

 

Clubs lower down the leagues like Wrexham and Birmingham who seem to have it all off the pitch will never be able to go all out if they ever did reach the top.

 

Sorry went off on a tangent there, Ashley's a cock. 

not a tangent at all. Good points, well made about a system that uses the guise of a deterrent to reckless financial ownership to protect the established elite. It isn’t fit for purpose. The “other 14” need to wake up and stand up to the greedy 6

[aimaad22 4590]

Dunno about the other 14 but it's Man City that thus far have provided the only legal challenge to it iirc? I wonder what becomes of that. 

[Optimistic Nut 440]

5 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

Dunno about the other 14 but it's Man City that thus far have provided the only legal challenge to it iirc? I wonder what becomes of that. 

 

And they're being done for breaking rules which should never have been in place anyway. The 6 runners-up to Man City in each of their title wins? Arsenal, Liverpool & Man Utd. The exact 3 clubs FFP is there to serve. 

[Dr Gloom 23395]

Talksport twats going off like the Toontastic boys. Simon Jordan very much in the Gemmill/Toonpack camp
 

 

[Gemmill 49356]

Genuinely rather be Team Jordan than be on that neanderthal wet lettuce fake intellectual looking HELMET, Keown. Jordan talking sense for once. 

[Howmanheyman 36206]

Jordan and Keown?

 

 

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[Ayatollah Hermione 14555]

Hard thread to read for someone called Jordan tbh

[OTF 8307]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Genuinely rather be Team Jordan than be on that neanderthal wet lettuce fake intellectual looking HELMET, Keown. Jordan talking sense for once. 

Again and as usual Jordan is talking absolute nonsense that doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of investigation. Were we supposed to buy players in January 2022 (our first transfer window under new ownership) when faced with relegation that we intended to sell for a profit 2 and a half years later (July 2024)? Obviously not, the only priority was Premier League survival. So having miraculously achieved that in the next window are we supposed to buy players who we can then onsell for a profit one and a half years later? Who did we buy?

 

22 year old Alex Isak (La Liga), 22 year old Sven Botman (Ligue 1), we made 26 year old Matt Targett's transfer permanent after he had a stellar end to the season. Bought Nick Pope (30).

 

Alex Isak and Sven Botman could be sold for a profit (probably even on the back of Botman's ACL injury) but we don't want to sell them yet. Even Pope we could sell for a profit on the <£10 million we paid for him, but his value to us far exceeds that. Targett is the only one we couldn't and his price was recouped through not being relegated.

 

Even in the next windows we bought young players who for the most part have increased in price (e.g. Gordon, Minteh, Tonali, Barnes). All good business overall (unlucky on Tonali's suspension and Barnes' injury).

 

The only not fit for purpose windows we've had were under Ashley and this most recent one under the stewardship of Mitchell. Too early to judge him harshly on this alone though. Yes we do need to now shift our approach a little, but this is because we now already have a quality first team and squad and players who are attractive to other teams. We also have training facilities that are 2.5 years enhanced, a vastly superior coaching staff, a much much better commercial income and a much broader scouting network. Now we can start to take even more chances on bringing in young players of promise with a view to them either making the first team or turning a profit. It's not a unique strategy, everyone has been doing it for over a decade, some are just much better positioned to do it effectively. Now we are too due to the hard work across the board in the last 2.5 years. Celebrate the success of the last two years and plan for our continued evolution over the next several.

 

[Gemmill 49356]