PaddockLad 18795 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 29 minutes ago, sammynb said: I hate Britpop but like everything Supergrass have done, even Gazza's solo stuff is great. Suppose I never thought of them as Britpop, where they really? Britpop was whatever Steve Lamacq and half a dozen record execs say it was… got to disagree with @Kitman the roses and the las were around a long time before the new breed came through in the 90s… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23385 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Wasn't 'britpop' just a load of made up shite like the 'big six', 'theatre of dreams' and the 'stadium of light'? aye, exactly. Coined by the music press to create a bit of buzz around indie bands, many of which had fuck all in common, musically. There was loads of good guitar music kicking around in the 90s, but I’m biased because I was a teenager and it was the soundtrack to good times 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14554 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 45 minutes ago, sammynb said: I hate Britpop but like everything Supergrass have done, even Gazza's solo stuff is great. Suppose I never thought of them as Britpop, where they really? Probably not but they get lumped in anyway so I’m marking them as the best of this entirely manufactured and arbitrary era 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14554 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Suppose you could earmark Britpop as “British guitar bands in the 90s who took influence from and sounded like all the different British guitar bands of the 60s” If you wanted to keep this argument going Edited February 12 by Ayatollah Hermione Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44848 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: You can add Knopfler's tune as well to that, not just a 90s invention but 90s invention by Alan 'fucking' Robson. Local Hero you mean? That lovely Geordie anthem written for a film about a Septic who likes a Sweaty village? How could any true Geordie not love it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36544 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I suppose most of it was shite so most of the acts had that in common Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44848 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Me and my lass met in 96, and a lot of great music was buzzing about then, a lot of what you’d call Britpop has nothing but great memories for us, although it’s more bands like Portishead, Massive Attack and such that just happened to emerge then. But aye, Menswear… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16303 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 35 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: But aye, Menswear… The arse end of it was brilliant for record labels signing up any old shit and hoping it flew. Exhibit A: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44848 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I will say though, that the shite of that period far outweighs the shite of most other periods, and in some cases outweighs the chart topping acts … Exhibit B. If forced to chose, I know which shite I’d rather listen to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44848 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 By the way @Meenzer, those Finnish chaps Sammy recommended to me in the music thread ( Gentlemen Losers), are gloriously melancholic in an a way only Scandinavians can be. I can totally picture them sitting in the sauna, whipping themselves with birch twigs, just after finishing another album. “ Well Stig, thåts another album done” ” Joo” ” Would you like some pickled fish” ”Joo” ” Shall we watch Pingu?” ” Nøot Nøot!” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2283 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Britpop was whatever Steve Lamacq and half a dozen record execs say it was… got to disagree with @Kitman the roses and the las were around a long time before the new breed came through in the 90s… Youre absolutely right Ive conflated the 80s with the 90s, in fact it's all blurred into one decade in my mind at this remove lol. If I think about the 90s stuff I had (CDs in a tower storage unit, naturally) it was Blur, Longpigs, Cast, Oasis. None of which has really stood the test of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 10155 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 23 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Blur evolved across the decades. Park life and great escape were cheesy albums but those that preceded and followed it weren’t. Alburn is a much better songwriter than Gallagher, who wrote two brilliant albums then a bunch of poor imitations which all sounded exactly the same. I forgot about country house, another fucking horrendous pile of irritating shite. In fairness I should doff ny hat to blur, along with girls and boys and parklife they've actually managed what should be unachievable.... made 3 records that are that bad they forced out queen's radio ga ga goo goo from the top 3 shitiest songs ever invented! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 10155 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 hours ago, Alex said: Yeah. I think so. Basically lazy, London-centric journalism. Did Pulp really have anything in common with Oasis? For example. pulp's his n hers album is an absolute fucking masterpiece I think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23385 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: pulp's his n hers album is an absolute fucking masterpiece I think. Agreed. Much better than the Different Class follow up which blew up during the Peak “Brit pop” years. I’d say the same about Blur’s modern life is rubbish, which bombed in the charts, being loads better than Parklife, which followed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7539 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I think I've said this before but my 94-97 era had a totally different soundtrack to most of my school mates. I listened to a lot of American bands, but the Brit bands were the likes of Ash, Feeder, early Stereophonics, Bush, Terrorvision, Skunk Anansie, A, Symposium etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36145 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: I will say though, that the shite of that period far outweighs the shite of most other periods, and in some cases outweighs the chart topping acts … Exhibit B. If forced to chose, I know which shite I’d rather listen to. Saw an advert for a documentary on these and one of the clips has their little manager, Louis Walsh(?) saying 'You want ordinary boys, they do what you want.' and I'm thinking.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49253 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I haven't watched it but I got the impression the doc was going to be largely about what a fucking weird creep Walsh is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6790 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: You can add Knopfler's tune as well to that, not just a 90s invention but 90s invention by Alan 'fucking' Robson. "Make some noise!!!" IIRC we used to come out to 'Simply The Best' before Local Hero became the norm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49253 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just be thankful it wasn't THE FLASHING BLADE'S fucking violin tune that he used to start Nightowls with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36145 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Just be thankful it wasn't THE FLASHING BLADE'S fucking violin tune that he used to start Nightowls with. A classic case of someone deciding what the people want, luckily we only had him for a full season but he did his best to spoil my joint favourite best ever seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 23450 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 hours ago, Alex said: Yeah. I think so. Basically lazy, London-centric journalism. Did Pulp really have anything in common with Oasis? For example. No, exactly. I was and still am a massive fan of the so called founders of Brit Pop, Suede, and they have fuck all to do with this movement in reality. Why weren't bands like Radiohead and the Manics classed as Brit Pop? It's not a musical movement, there is no coherence here. But for me the time did have a zeitgeist feel to it which I miss. Whether it was genuinely better or just because I was young I don't know. Also coincided with the best NUFC team ever. If I had to distil the whole feeling into a single song it would be Arab Strap's "First Big Weekend of Summer" which is identifiably set 14th to 16th June 1996. Never liked Blur or Oasis. Loved Pulp, though I I'd be amazed if there are not some dodgy skeletons in Cocker's wardrobe that will one day fall out. Talking of zeitgeist's though, Albarn perfectly captured the feeling of Brexit in the Good, the Bad, and the Queen in "Merrieland". A feeling of insularity, decay, nostalgia, undertones of racism. He's one artist that has become more relevant with increasing age. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23385 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I was listening to all sorts in the 90s, some of the genres stood the test of time, others less so. Kicked off the decade getting into indie music via my brother. Loads of sub genres. Take your pick from Madchester/shoe gazing/greebo/grunge and many more: Roses, Mondays, Inspiral Carpets, Kingmaker, Blur, Ride, Wonder Stuff, Jesus Jones, Carter USM, Suede, Cud, Manics. Then from America bands like Nirvana, Pavement, Sonic Youth, Smashing Pumpkins etc Mid 90s, as I started going out, was getting more into house music,techno and jungle and I was also caught by the golden age of hip hop: Nas, Tribe called quest, Wu Tang, Slick Rick, J5, Gang star, mob deep, souls of mischief, Big daddy kane, nwa, de la soul etc I liked loads of bands during the Britpop era but the good stuff was always just indie music to me. I’ll also always have a soft spot for the trip hop/acid jazz and big beat, which were the soundtrack to uni days There was loads of great music in the 90s. It’s partially influenced by nostalgia because I think my appetite to discover new music definitely diminished as I got older. The only new music I’m across these days is electronic stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23385 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: I think I've said this before but my 94-97 era had a totally different soundtrack to most of my school mates. I listened to a lot of American bands, but the Brit bands were the likes of Ash, Feeder, early Stereophonics, Bush, Terrorvision, Skunk Anansie, A, Symposium etc. Terror vision. I saw them a couple of times. So bad they were good. I caught Ash at a festival last summer and got a bit emotional watching them. The way music can evoke memories is unique 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16303 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Howmanheyman said: Saw an advert for a documentary on these and one of the clips has their little manager, Louis Walsh(?) saying 'You want ordinary boys, they do what you want.' and I'm thinking.... The whole boyband thing is traditionally built on exploitation by older blokes with varying degrees of dodginess about them. Walsh, Lou Pearlman, all the way back to Tam Paton with the Bay City Rollers. It's pretty grim. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36145 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Meenzer said: The whole boyband thing is traditionally built on exploitation by older blokes with varying degrees of dodginess about them. Walsh, Lou Pearlman, all the way back to Tam Paton with the Bay City Rollers. It's pretty grim. It wouldn't surprise me tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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