Sven Botman

[Holden McGroin 7561]

So that’ll be the season. He owes that bloke on Socials an apology.

[Gemmill 49832]

Howe actually said he should play before the end of the season. 

[PaddockLad 18982]

9 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Out for 8 weeks apparently. Small operation to remove fluid from his knee. The OPPOSITE one to the one he injured previously, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT EH?! 

It’s not that I don’t believe what the club or Howe says. It’s that I don’t have the medical knowledge that can get me from “almost ready for the next game, not quite there” to “he’s got fluid on the knee, he needs an op and is out for 8 weeks” 

 

Is it a chronic condition? Had the issue been ongoing, was it being managed thoughtout his recuperation from his ACL,  if it was that bad why was he almost in contention for a place on the bench v Fulham etc etc?….… anyway, I’ll leave you to your latest book “Lee Harvey Oswald definitely killed JFK by acting alone, the FBI are stand up guys”

[Holden McGroin 7561]

18 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Howe actually said he should play before the end of the season. 

 

8 weeks takes up to the point where we have 4 games left. Hopefully we won't need him and rush him back so he has a full pre-season.

[Gemmill 49832]

11 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

It’s not that I don’t believe what the club or Howe says. It’s that I don’t have the medical knowledge that can get me from “almost ready for the next game, not quite there” to “he’s got fluid on the knee, he needs an op and is out for 8 weeks” 

 

Is it a chronic condition? Had the issue been ongoing, was it being managed thoughtout his recuperation from his ACL,  if it was that bad why was he almost in contention for a place on the bench v Fulham etc etc?….… anyway, I’ll leave you to your latest book “Lee Harvey Oswald definitely killed JFK by acting alone, the FBI are stand up guys”

 

It's perfectly possible that he could both be in contention for a place at Fulham and then subsequently succumb to whatever is going on with his knee. Bit of training and it flares up and, actually this might not be what we first thought it was. 

 

I don't have a problem with believing that. 

[Dazzler 11718]

9 hours ago, Dougle said:

 

What’s the purpose of these money bleeders again?

 

I know their job titles but……..

 

Ant McPartlin looks like he's off the wagon again. Sending best wishes.

[wykikitoon 22771]

Gemmill do you think him playing two 90 minute games in 3 days is fine for someone who's just had an ACL?  Do you think adding a further 90 minutes to that again in another 6 days is fine?  Even if it is the other knee, like Alex said the body compensates after a big injury.

Playing that amount of minutes after such a big injury was totally reckless by the club.  Who the fuck is advising Howe on this?

[Holden McGroin 7561]

2 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Gemmill do you think him playing two 90 minute games in 3 days is fine for someone who's just had an ACL?  Do you think adding a further 90 minutes to that again in another 6 days is fine?  Even if it is the other knee, like Alex said the body compensates after a big injury.

Playing that amount of minutes after such a big injury was totally reckless by the club.  Who the fuck is advising Howe on this?

 

Bunce:

[NJS 4560]

The original report said he'd taken a knock on his knee so if true that would have nowt to do with an early/over-strenuous return. 

Edited Friday at 10:38 by NJS

[PaddockLad 18982]

 

 

[wykikitoon 22771]

7 minutes ago, NJS said:

The original report said he'd taken a knock on his knee so if true that would have nowt to do with an early/over-strenuous return. 

 

According to a pal who is a knee surgeon and has worked on some Prem footballers, I.e he knows his shit.  Fluid on the knee is 95% usually a pulled ligament or cartilage. 

[Gemmill 49832]

11 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Gemmill do you think him playing two 90 minute games in 3 days is fine for someone who's just had an ACL?  Do you think adding a further 90 minutes to that again in another 6 days is fine?  Even if it is the other knee, like Alex said the body compensates after a big injury.

Playing that amount of minutes after such a big injury was totally reckless by the club.  Who the fuck is advising Howe on this?

 

I work at a bank, what do I know? I was concerned at the time that it was a lot to ask after that long out, but it's also not like he came back from injury and was immediately thrown back in. His rehab took a LONG time. And there was training and building back fitness, and they track all sorts of metrics on these lads, so they'll have had enough to say that he was ready. 

 

If his original injury had recurred, I think you can reasonably point the finger at the club and say it's been mismanaged. Something else going wrong could genuinely just be unfortunate. It doesn't have to be someone's fault. 

[wykikitoon 22771]

Oh and my Pal the knee surgeon isn't PL 

[Gemmill 49832]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

 

According to a pal who is a knee surgeon and has worked on some Prem footballers, I.e he knows his shit.  Fluid on the knee is 95% usually a pulled ligament or cartilage. 

 

If that's the case, I think that underlines the fact that it's not related to him playing two games in short order. He's just been incredibly unlucky. 

[wykikitoon 22771]

Just now, Gemmill said:

 

I work at a bank, what do I know? I was concerned at the time that it was a lot to ask after that long out, but it's also not like he came back from injury and was immediately thrown back in. His rehab took a LONG time. And there was training and building back fitness, and they track all sorts of metrics on these lads, so they'll have had enough to say that he was ready. 

 

If his original injury had recurred, I think you can reasonably point the finger at the club and say it's been mismanaged. Something else going wrong could genuinely just be unfortunate. It doesn't have to be someone's fault. 

 

[wykikitoon 22771]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

I work at a bank, what do I know? I was concerned at the time that it was a lot to ask after that long out, but it's also not like he came back from injury and was immediately thrown back in. His rehab took a LONG time. And there was training and building back fitness, and they track all sorts of metrics on these lads, so they'll have had enough to say that he was ready. 

 

If his original injury had recurred, I think you can reasonably point the finger at the club and say it's been mismanaged. Something else going wrong could genuinely just be unfortunate. It doesn't have to be someone's fault. 

I would say that's a fair assessment. But playing against someone who really DGAF about smashing into you to light drills on the training pitch isn't comparable.

[Gemmill 49832]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

I would say that's a fair assessment. But playing against someone who really DGAF about smashing into you to light drills on the training pitch isn't comparable.

 

That's the case for anyone coming back from injury though. If he came through the first 90 and all signs were that he was fine, getting injured in the next game isn't about the load, it's just dead unlucky. 

[Toonpack 11343]

13 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Oh and my Pal the knee surgeon isn't PL 

 

Thank fuck for that, given his skills at manoeuvering motor vehicles he'd be fucking lethal with a scalpel

[Gemmill 49832]

So are we all in agreement then? It's not Bunce's fault, it's not Howe's fault, it's not Mitchell's fault, or Botman's. It's just one of those things. 

[RobinRobin 12470]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Thank fuck for that, given his skills at manoeuvering motor vehicles he'd be fucking lethal with a scalpel

[Gemmill 49832]

If we get a positive result on this, I'd like to move on to agree which of his knees is injured. 

[David Kelly 1334]

Apparently it's from a knock he took against Spurs which they didn't think was anything at the time.

 

What I do know is that my mates son was in hospital the other week after doing his acl and the nurse there told them that Botman was in getting a scan that day and had been coming in every other day for them.  They all thought it was just precautionary at the time.

[Gemmill 49832]

Nice to see that patient confidentiality is alive and well.

 

[PaddockLad 18982]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

So are we all in agreement then? It's not Bunce's fault, it's not Howe's fault, it's not Mitchell's fault, or Botman's. It's just one of those things. 

No you predicted that the club’s communications on this matter were of no real concern and this time for a change you guessed correctly. Me and Wykiki asked relevant questions and it was talked through between us and we came to the same conclusion that you did after you stated that you worked in a bank and how the fuck should you know anything, which is a conclusion many of us had reached some time ago  

[RobElliott 1793]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

 

According to a pal who is a knee surgeon and has worked on some Prem footballers, I.e he knows his shit.  Fluid on the knee is 95% usually a pulled ligament or cartilage. 

 

Is that how the Mrs got introduced to Wilson then?