Transfers, 2024-25 season

[wykikitoon 21808]

18 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Kelly : AFCB > Newcastle

Huijsen : Juve > AFCB 

Kelly : Newcastle > Juve 

 

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[RobinRobin 11926]

4 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

Kelly : AFCB > Newcastle

Huijsen : Juve > AFCB 

Kelly : Newcastle > Juve 

 

🤔

 

4 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

[Optimistic Nut 318]

I bet the Premier League are this week trying to figure out how they can tweak PSR enough to let Man Utd & Arsenal to spend again, but still stop us, Villa & Forest from doing the same. 

[Dr Gloom 22848]

Willock coming on at RW for Murphy against Bournemouth said it all. He was completely ineffective, not alone on Saturday, of course. I don't know if we have any money to reinforce the squad this month, the noises coming out of the club suggest not, but if we do, it's the obvious area that needs to be improved. 

[Toonpack 10641]

4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Willock coming on at RW for Murphy against Bournemouth said it all. He was completely ineffective, not alone on Saturday, of course. I don't know if we have any money to reinforce the squad this month, the noises coming out of the club suggest not, but if we do, it's the obvious area that needs to be improved. 

 

Big Joe went RW and Willock went central I thought 🤷‍♂️

[Dr Gloom 22848]

2 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

Big Joe went RW and Willock went central I thought 🤷‍♂️

 

kind of. i think they were trying to replicate what they used to do on the left side, interchanging. i saw willock in wide positions loads. either way, it didn't work. not that miggy would have been any better. we're desperate in that area when murphy isn't firing 

Edited 3 hours ago by Dr Gloom

[Holden McGroin 7091]

20 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Big Joe went RW and Willock went central I thought 🤷‍♂️

 

He did. I think the point still stands though. Barnes is good for a goal and although they did dominate us there was always a chance we could pinch something when it was 2-1. Gordon had a hell of a volley that could have made it 2-2 at one point then you never know.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Holden McGroin

[Dr Gloom 22848]

Just now, Holden McGroin said:

 

He did. I think the point the still stands though. Barnes is good for a goal and although they didn't dominate us there was always a chance we could pinch something when it was 2-1. Gordon had a hell of a volley that could have made it 2-2 at one point then you never know.

 

 

 

i think that's clutching a bit. sometimes you have to credit the opposition team and manager. they did their homework and completely bossed the game. 4-1 didn't flatter them at all. it could have easily been 6 or 7 but for dubravka making loads of good saves, many of which were shots from inside our box. we didn't test their keeper in the second half, i don't recall. 

[The Fish 11129]

On 17/01/2025 at 15:35, Toonpack said:

You know shit, that's for sure.

 

So Schar is ahead of Kelly for LCB is he ??

 

I'll destroy the rest of your post later.

 

If Schar is playing LCB, it's because both Burn and Botman are unavailable. Botman and Burn are both ahead of Kelly at LCB, so in his favoured fucking position he's at best 3rd choice. At CB he's definitely behind Schar as well, so that puts him 1...2...3....ohhh right, 4th fucking choice.

 

Put it this way, if Schar plus one of Botman and Burn were unavailable, Howe is as likely to select Krafth to play RCB as he is Kelly. 

[wykikitoon 21808]

1 hour ago, Toonpack said:

 

Big Joe went RW and Willock went central I thought 🤷‍♂️

They all look the same in glooms eyes

[Toonpack 10641]

21 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

If Schar is playing LCB, it's because both Burn and Botman are unavailable. Botman and Burn are both ahead of Kelly at LCB, so in his favoured fucking position he's at best 3rd choice. At CB he's definitely behind Schar as well, so that puts him 1...2...3....ohhh right, 4th fucking choice.

 

Put it this way, if Schar plus one of Botman and Burn were unavailable, Howe is as likely to select Krafth to play RCB as he is Kelly. 

 

There are 2 centre back positions that require depth, Left and Right CB, Kelly is a left sided defender and currently 3rd choice LCB, behind Burn and Botman, we are terribly exposed at RCB. Kelly is also 3rd choice LB (IF Targett is fit, 2nd if not). Schar will never be in the conversation to play LCB. Krafth would get the nod at RCB as he's right footed, Kelly would likewise get the nod on the left.

 

Next season Targett will likely be gone so Kelly will likely be 2nd choice LB - he should also be ahead of Burn as he'll be another year older and even slower.

 

It's quite simple really - Sell him and we'll have to replace him in the summer to avoid all getting old together.

 

 

[The Fish 11129]

3 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

There are 2 centre back positions that require depth, Left and Right CB, Kelly is a left sided defender and currently 3rd choice LCB, behind Burn and Botman, we are terribly exposed at RCB. Kelly is also 3rd choice LB (IF Targett is fit, 2nd if not). Schar will never be in the conversation to play LCB. Krafth would get the nod at RCB as he's right footed, Kelly would likewise get the nod on the left.

 

Next season Targett will likely be gone so Kelly will likely be 2nd choice LB - he should also be ahead of Burn as he'll be another year older and even slower.

 

It's quite simple really - Sell him and we'll have to replace him in the summer to avoid all getting old together.

 

 

 

You're right, in that there are two CB positions that require depth. But Kelly isn't 2nd choice for either of them, he also isn't second choice at left back. That would be Big Dan Burn. And then it's a conversation about whether Lloyd Kelly is chosen ahead of Matt Targett or not. So he's possibly 3rd to 4th choice there as well. 

 

You're arguing to retain the services of someone that, in all likelihood, won't get a game. 

 

We 100% should be replacing him, but not with a middling, 26yr old, free transfer. We should replace him with a young and promising centreback (Hujsen at Bournemouth is a good example), or we should sign someone that pushes Schar down the pecking order by being as good as or better than Botman.

 

 

[Holden McGroin 7091]

I’d say Tino was 2nd or 3rd choice LB. 
 

Hall

Tino

Targett

Burn 

 

That’s decent cover in an emergency.
 

[Toonpack 10641]

4 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

You're right, in that there are two CB positions that require depth. But Kelly isn't 2nd choice for either of them, he also isn't second choice at left back. That would be Big Dan Burn. And then it's a conversation about whether Lloyd Kelly is chosen ahead of Matt Targett or not. So he's possibly 3rd to 4th choice there as well. 

 

You're arguing to retain the services of someone that, in all likelihood, won't get a game. 

 

We 100% should be replacing him, but not with a middling, 26yr old, free transfer. We should replace him with a young and promising centreback (Hujsen at Bournemouth is a good example), or we should sign someone that pushes Schar down the pecking order by being as good as or better than Botman.

 

 

 

Our #1 need (alongside RW) is someone to push Schar down the pecking order not a youngster to push him, a youngster to usurp him is what we need.

 

I'm saying flogging Kelly now is stupid from a squad depth perspective, not for today but going forward, we're fucking ancient at CB. We're creating another hole to fill when we have other holes WAY more important.

[Optimistic Nut 318]

I'm surprised either last summer or this January we haven't done a "loan to buy" like with Hall just to kick the PSR issue down the line a bit? Someone like Tomori from Milan would be ideal if they're looking to get rid. We could do the same for Kelly with Juventus in that case and it'd only show another £10m or so down, but on a big upgrade. 

[Toonpack 10641]

5 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

I’d say Tino was 2nd or 3rd choice LB. 
 

Hall

Tino

Targett

Burn 

 

That’s decent cover in an emergency.
 

 

Tino FFS, he's first choice RB, who plays there ?? (Tripps will be away next season, if not this window)

[Holden McGroin 7091]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Tino FFS, he's first choice RB, who plays there ?? (Tripps will be away next season, if not this window)

I meant in terms of this season. Trippier will move on the summer I assume. Maybe somewhere where the pace is a bit slower.

[Dazzler 11060]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Tino FFS, he's first choice RB, who plays there ?? (Tripps will be away next season, if not this window)

[Toonpack 10641]

Just now, Holden McGroin said:

I meant in terms of this season. Trippier will move on the summer I assume. Maybe somewhere where the pace is a bit slower.

 

My point is about beyond this season though.

[Toonpack 10641]

Just now, Dazzler said:

 

Aye, you disrupt the right side of your defence because the left side is in trouble, no, you play Kelly.

[The Fish 11129]

1 hour ago, Toonpack said:

 

Our #1 need (alongside RW) is someone to push Schar down the pecking order not a youngster to push him, a youngster to usurp him is what we need.

 

I'm saying flogging Kelly now is stupid from a squad depth perspective, not for today but going forward, we're fucking ancient at CB. We're creating another hole to fill when we have other holes WAY more important.

 

Priority is RW and RCB, I agree. 

 

Kelly doesn't solve either of those problems. Nor does he solve "who do we play if Hall is unavailable?", or "who do we play if Botman is out?". In terms of depth, he's not providing anything that other players aren't. For less wages. And unfortunately less resale value. 

 

Look, if we had two equal bids, one Targett and one for Kelly, I'd take the Targett money. But Kelly is the only one who appears to be attracting interest. 

[Toonpack 10641]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

 

Priority is RW and RCB, I agree. 

 

Kelly doesn't solve either of those problems. Nor does he solve "who do we play if Hall is unavailable?", or "who do we play if Botman is out?". In terms of depth, he's not providing anything that other players aren't. For less wages. And unfortunately less resale value. 

 

Look, if we had two equal bids, one Targett and one for Kelly, I'd take the Targett money. But Kelly is the only one who appears to be attracting interest. 

 

If we got an offer around £15 mill, I'd be ok with it IF that was reinvested at RCB (with pace) because that's a major need, now and into the future, but it does leave us relying on Burn next season as Botman back up and god forbid he has to be Hall's back up too, he's already slow. We also need a viable RB back up, that could possibly be Krafth if he's extended.

 

Our fullbacks are incredibly young, and talented, and we're hopefully set for the next decade, so getting someone to come and be a back-up who will (hopefully) rarely play is not going to be easy, and I can't realistically see anyone beating Hall/Tino out.

 

That's the thing with Kelly that makes me hesitant, we need viable back-ups going forward and he could be that for 2 positions, our current back-ups are getting very old in footballer terms, Kelly's not.

[The Fish 11129]

10 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

If we got an offer around £15 mill, I'd be ok with it IF that was reinvested at RCB (with pace) because that's a major need, now and into the future, but it does leave us relying on Burn next season as Botman back up and god forbid he has to be Hall's back up too, he's already slow. We also need a viable RB back up, that could possibly be Krafth if he's extended.

 

Our fullbacks are incredibly young, and talented, and we're hopefully set for the next decade, so getting someone to come and be a back-up who will (hopefully) rarely play is not going to be easy, and I can't realistically see anyone beating Hall/Tino out.

 

That's the thing with Kelly that makes me hesitant, we need viable back-ups going forward and he could be that for 2 positions, our current back-ups are getting very old in footballer terms, Kelly's not.

 

 

What if, we get £15m now, but couldn't reinvest it until the summer? Or, we get £15m and that plus Almiron's fee (and whatever we've got down the back of the PSR sofa) is spent on a RW who's better than what we've got?

[LongTimeAdmirer 1310]

Alex Murphy going on loan to Bolton

[Toonpack 10641]

 

11 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 

What if, we get £15m now, but couldn't reinvest it until the summer? Or, we get £15m and that plus Almiron's fee (and whatever we've got down the back of the PSR sofa) is spent on a RW who's better than what we've got?

 

If it's £15 million or thereabouts aye, I'd be ok, it was when folks were clamouring to get rid for £6-£10 mill I had severe reservations.

 

I certainly don't agree with the second sentence, we need pace at CB way more than we need a new RW at this moment in time IMO. We do need a better/electric RW option but in summer would be fine for that.

 

We only have one CB who is starting quality for the foreseeable future, all the others could be ready for the glue factory in 12 months.