RobElliott 1629 Posted Wednesday at 22:11 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:11 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: The asking price is only £5m according to the Mail. Senor Hope wouldn't underestimate a fee we receive surely? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11709 Posted Thursday at 03:29 Share Posted Thursday at 03:29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobElliott 1629 Posted Thursday at 09:21 Share Posted Thursday at 09:21 Actually is Craig Hope related to this guy? "I was happy in the gloom under Mike Ashley But heaven knows I'm miserable now Wrote a bleak story, and then I had a sob And heaven knows I'm miserable now In my life Why do I give valuable time To the toon who don't care if I live or die?" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21144 Posted Thursday at 21:39 Share Posted Thursday at 21:39 Interesting take 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46672 Posted Thursday at 22:07 Share Posted Thursday at 22:07 Dubravka off to Saudi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7243 Posted Thursday at 22:23 Share Posted Thursday at 22:23 I hope not. He's playing better than Pope atm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4929 Posted Thursday at 23:35 Share Posted Thursday at 23:35 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: Interesting take One I fullt agree with tbh. PSR is VAR for transfers. "Well intentioned" terribly implemented and both have made the fun bits less fun. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21144 Posted yesterday at 06:29 Share Posted yesterday at 06:29 8 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: I hope not. He's playing better than Pope atm I was thinking this the other day. Surely Pope doesn't walk back in? Would be interesting to hear what our resident keeper think @strawb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6835 Posted yesterday at 07:16 Share Posted yesterday at 07:16 Tomorrow will be a big test for Dubravka. He’ll be worked and will need to be speedy off his line. He is a million times better with his feet and allows us to play out more. He’ll be 36 in a couple of weeks so I can’t see we’d get a lot for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7698 Posted yesterday at 07:41 Share Posted yesterday at 07:41 8 hours ago, Andrew said: One I fullt agree with tbh. PSR is VAR for transfers. "Well intentioned" terribly implemented and both have made the fun bits less fun. I agree except PSR is not well intentioned. The transfer windows and the related media fuelled speculation historically was a low level highlight that has been pared back unnecessarily. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7698 Posted yesterday at 07:43 Share Posted yesterday at 07:43 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: I was thinking this the other day. Surely Pope doesn't walk back in? Would be interesting to hear what our resident keeper think @strawb Dubravka's distribution and composure on the ball has certainly been a blessing. But nevermind as it will all come crashing down now that we've sung his praises. Where's @Rayvin to declare him as the worst keeper of all time so he can keep up this run... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 220 Posted yesterday at 08:04 Share Posted yesterday at 08:04 One plus point about tomorrow is Fraser Forster has declined even more rapidly than Dubravka and is shite with his feet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6835 Posted yesterday at 08:57 Share Posted yesterday at 08:57 Forster is being asked to do things he isn't comfortable with. Wrong profile to play for Spurs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1265 Posted yesterday at 09:15 Share Posted yesterday at 09:15 Whilst I'm not convinced Pope deserves to go straight back in the team as his form hasn't been good this season, Dubravka has had the bonus of hardly having a save of note to make since he came in. Arguably he's contributed to the defence not allowing opponents to have good chances and he's undoubtedly better with his feet, but it still remains to be seen whether he can actually make any decent saves anymore. Pope has always seemed to have the ability to make important saves at big moments in games. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46672 Posted yesterday at 09:33 Share Posted yesterday at 09:33 Agreed on Forster, he's having a stinker at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10227 Posted yesterday at 09:48 Share Posted yesterday at 09:48 24 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Whilst I'm not convinced Pope deserves to go straight back in the team as his form hasn't been good this season, Dubravka has had the bonus of hardly having a save of note to make since he came in. Arguably he's contributed to the defence not allowing opponents to have good chances and he's undoubtedly better with his feet, but it still remains to be seen whether he can actually make any decent saves anymore. Pope has always seemed to have the ability to make important saves at big moments in games. He's also contributed to us retaining possession one hell of a lot more, a backpass to Dubs recycles possession and we keep the ball, to Pope it was trapped 6 foot away in a random direction and either an inaccurate 10 yard pass putting a defender under pressure or a slice into the stands usually somewhere in line with our penalty box. I think Dubs ability with his feet in retaining controlled possession is hugely underappreciated. Pope is (historically) a better shot stopper, i.e. he makes (or did make) some "wow" saves you wouldn't expect your keeper to make, but in respect of making regulation saves and errors (out of position etc) I think it's a toss up between the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22325 Posted yesterday at 09:58 Share Posted yesterday at 09:58 We looked gash when Dubs replaced Pope last season and we lost Pope’s sweeping ability. The defence dropped back by 10-20 yards and a massive hole appeared between our defenders and midfield for teams to play through. That problem has been completely absent this time around and yet I don’t remember Dubs being called upon to sweep up at all. Perhaps it’s Tonali in at number six that has encouraged our defence to hold its line, or it could just be we haven’t played anyone good enough to play through us and get in behind during this run of victories. Pope is a much better shot stopper and sweeper keeper for me. Dubs is definitely better with his feet, but then who isn’t? Pope is probably the worst in the league with his feet. We could do with a keeper who combines both of their better attributes. Probably one for the summer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10227 Posted yesterday at 10:15 Share Posted yesterday at 10:15 9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: We looked gash when Dubs replaced Pope last season and we lost Pope’s sweeping ability. The defence dropped back by 10-20 yards and a massive hole appeared between our defenders and midfield for teams to play through. That problem has been completely absent this time around and yet I don’t remember Dubs being called upon to sweep up at all. Perhaps it’s Tonali in at number six that has encouraged our defence to hold its line, or it could just be we haven’t played anyone good enough to play through us and get in behind during this run of victories. Pope is a much better shot stopper and sweeper keeper for me. Dubs is definitely better with his feet, but then who isn’t? Pope is probably the worst in the league with his feet. We could do with a keeper who combines both of their better attributes. Probably one for the summer window Let's be honest here, the defence was gash early season WITH Pope playing, it's not gash currently. It'll be numerous factors, Tonali and resultant team balance being one, but Dubs ability to pass it one of our defenders in space and not into row Z will also be in there somewhere. Teams can't press us so high because Dubs can play an accurate "out" ball. Neither of them are really the level we would like, but Pope doesn't walk straight back in for me, unless we're flogging Dubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22325 Posted yesterday at 10:22 Share Posted yesterday at 10:22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Let's be honest here, the defence was gash early season WITH Pope playing, it's not gash currently. It'll be numerous factors, Tonali and resultant team balance being one, but Dubs ability to pass it one of our defenders in space and not into row Z will also be in there somewhere. Teams can't press us so high because Dubs can play an accurate "out" ball. Neither of them are really the level we would like, but Pope doesn't walk straight back in for me, unless we're flogging Dubs. pope's lack of ability with his feet, as frustrating as it is, is mitigated to an extent by his sweeping ability. we were a lot worse last season when dubs came in for him and the defensive line suddenly dropped back to the edge of our box because dubs was always rooted to his line. so far in this run, that hasn't been the case. agree we could do with an upgrade that combines both of their best attributes. Edited yesterday at 10:23 by Dr Gloom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17886 Posted yesterday at 10:46 Share Posted yesterday at 10:46 So Pope is terrible with the ball at his feet but is a “good sweeper”?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22325 Posted yesterday at 10:57 Share Posted yesterday at 10:57 8 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: So Pope is terrible with the ball at his feet but is a “good sweeper”?? aye, exactly. two totally different things. have you not watched how we play with him in net? he's shit with the ball at this feet. what he is good at, is rushing out of his box and getting to balls in behind/over the top of our defence and kicking or heading it into touch. this allows our back line to play higher up because they know they've got pope sweeping up behind them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17886 Posted yesterday at 11:06 Share Posted yesterday at 11:06 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: aye, exactly. two totally different things. have you not watched how we play with him in net? he's shit with the ball at this feet. what he is good at, is rushing out of his box and getting to balls in behind/over the top of our defence and kicking or heading it into touch. this allows our back line to play higher up because they know they've got pope sweeping up behind them. Well yeah. And we got into the champions league with him playing like that. I don’t really see the need for that direct and fairly contradictory criticism of him when it was woefully missed last season when he was injured. Given the evidence of the last month Dubravka has completely changed his game in that regard since the end of last season. It was blatantly obvious that pre injury Pope was a better goalie in all aspects of the game. If Pope has misplaced a few passes then ok, Tonali gives the ball away and Isak misses sitters. Is that how all this works?… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22325 Posted yesterday at 11:15 Share Posted yesterday at 11:15 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: Well yeah. And we got into the champions league with him playing like that. I don’t really see the need for that direct and fairly contradictory criticism of him when it was woefully missed last season when he was injured. Given the evidence of the last month Dubravka has completely changed his game in that regard since the end of last season. It was blatantly obvious that pre injury Pope was a better goalie in all aspects of the game. If Pope has misplaced a few passes then ok, Tonali gives the ball away and Isak misses sitters. Is that how all this works?… pope has loads of great attributes but passing out from the back has never been one of them. i would say i think he is absolutely fine for where we are at the moment and he walks back into the team when fit. i can see us buying a new keeper in the summer. whether it's someone like trafford to compete and replace pope in time, or someone else who is more likely to come in and start straight away, i don't know. dubs coming back in has highlighted the weakness in pope's game, but he isn't the answer. he has weaknesses of his own that we saw last time he had an extended run in the side, and he's, what - 35, 36 years of age? it is worth noting though that all the teams that regularly qualify for champions league have keepers who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. it's the modern way of playing and pope is kind of an outlier - is there a worse keeper in the league at passing out from the back? i dunno tbh, but i don't imagine there are many worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3589 Posted yesterday at 11:42 Share Posted yesterday at 11:42 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: Forster is being asked to do things he isn't comfortable with. Wrong profile to play for Spurs. The guy has feet the size of oil tankers, it's no wonder the fucker cannot use them to play tiky taky football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3589 Posted yesterday at 11:53 Share Posted yesterday at 11:53 30 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: is there a worse keeper in the league at passing out from the back? i dunno tbh, but i don't imagine there are many worse I give you Fraser Forster. Dubs deserves to keep his place, until he doesn't, and I though we should have put the guy through a wood chipper when he wanted to fuck off to Man U but it appears he's realised: 1. Things aren't always rosier when you get your chance at "a big club" (or maybe he realised he was already at one?) 2. He, like all players, needed to put some effort into improving his game, which he obviously has. His missus' pre-season social media post, as obvious as it was a dig at either fans or the club itself, shows he has knuckled down and improved his game/attitude. I also think the fact he was unchallenged as number one keeper for so long in the Ashley years, didn't help the situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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