Gemmill 44489 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, Chaser said: Mbuemo? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10775 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 46 minutes ago, DCR said: We spent our budget on a player who wasn't allowed to play. I think he will be a good player for a long time for us ,but it had a negative effect on our season. But isn't that no different to a player getting an unexpected leg break or something? Don't think it was a PSR mistake. Now, had Tonali been available all season but had been shit, then that is a PSR mistake in my book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1207 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, Chaser said: Mbuemo? Actually reading that back, I didn't note the £60m figure. He's a proven prem league winger capable of scoring goals but wouldn't be worth that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6542 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 7 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Am I alone here in thinking this bloke is worth nowhere near what we paid for Isak? Solid centre half, English, so an inflated transfer fee is baked in, used to the premier league etc - but if it wasn’t for six good games in a poor England team during the euros he’d be going for £20-30m. It’s exactly the sort of deal we have avoided and the type Man U usually fall for - paying well over the odds on a player who will never be worth that much again throughout his career. Perhaps I’m missing something that other people have seen that can suggest I’m wrong here but he doesn’t look like an obvious successor to Schar. Certainly not a like-for-like ball-playing centre back. And tbh, if we do sign him, i don’t think he starts when everyone is fit - Schar and Botman are better players, surely? Aye. I’ve said It since we were interested him. He was the worst CB I’ve seen play against us last season. It may have just been an off day but he also made a couple of massive clangers in the Euros. He managed to get away with them but I don’t think he’d be so lucky against teams that aren’t shite. He is only 23/24 though so has loads of improvement in him. I’d rather focus on RW. It’s money not necessarily needed to be spent if Fab stays fit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2311 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Palace have supposedly rejected our fourth bid. Fuck them. I'd have gladly taken Guehi, but he's not worth the ball ache that is Parish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6542 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Polarboy said: Palace have supposedly rejected our fourth bid. Fuck them. I'd have gladly taken Guehi, but he's not worth the ball ache that is Parish. This is how Maguires price rose so much. Walk away. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34905 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: Aye. I’ve said It since we were interested him. He was the worst CB I’ve seen play against us last season. It may have just been an off day but he also made a couple of massive clangers in the Euros. He managed to get away with them but I don’t think he’d be so lucky against teams that aren’t shite. He is only 23/24 though so has loads of improvement in him. I’d rather focus on RW. It’s money not necessarily needed to be spent if Fab stays fit. Would he be anywhere near that valuation without the England caps? Would he have anywhere near that many caps without the Southgate/Crystal Palace connection? I think the answer to both of those questions is no 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6542 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 14 minutes ago, Alex said: Would he be anywhere near that valuation without the England caps? Would he have anywhere near that many caps without the Southgate/Crystal Palace connection? I think the answer to both of those questions is no It’s telling that this is playing out in the public (very unusual for us btw) and no-one else is interested in him. Certainly at that price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19975 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 can we ban KD from starting threads for players until jimbo's TV is shown? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21846 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: This is how Maguires price rose so much. Walk away. 100% time to walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21846 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 4 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: Aye. I’ve said It since we were interested him. He was the worst CB I’ve seen play against us last season. It may have just been an off day but he also made a couple of massive clangers in the Euros. He managed to get away with them but I don’t think he’d be so lucky against teams that aren’t shite. He is only 23/24 though so has loads of improvement in him. I’d rather focus on RW. It’s money not necessarily needed to be spent if Fab stays fit. even if he was at the level of Virgil Van Dyke (he isn’t) I’d be questioning why we are spending that amount of money on a centre back when we have Schar, Burn, Kelly, Krafth, Murphy, plus Botman and Lascelles to come back. While at RW we have Murphy and Miggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7006 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, wykikitoon said: can we ban KD from starting threads for players until jimbo's TV is shown? Tbf, if people read the opening post they would see I simply posed a question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11158 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 5 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Tbf, if people read the opening post they would see I simply posed a question! Too fucking late. 🙂 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13835 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 I wouldn’t be against Chalobah as a cheaper option for now and then source Schar’s long term replacement a bit further down the line tbh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9293 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 9 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: even if he was at the level of Virgil Van Dyke (he isn’t) I’d be questioning why we are spending that amount of money on a centre back when we have Schar, Burn, Kelly, Krafth, Murphy, plus Botman and Lascelles to come back. While at RW we have Murphy and Miggy CB is a priority because Schar is getting old as is Burn, Botman is fucked and out for ages (and may not be the same player when back) and Krafth/Lascelles are “last resort” CB’s and the other two are kids. We’re buying for now/the near future. RW is next priority I reckon and aye it’s Miggy/Murphy but also Gordon or Barnes if necessary. CB is way above RW in current needs. I think VVD is way over-rated these days and probably always was, he’s lucky he’s not played his career with strikers the level of a Henry or Shearer knocking about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19975 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Agreed. I think people seem blinded by the RW option. VVD wasn't smashing down doors when he first went to Liverpool and took a year or so to settle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21846 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Toonpack said: CB is a priority because Schar is getting old as is Burn, Botman is fucked and out for ages (and may not be the same player when back) and Krafth/Lascelles are “last resort” CB’s and the other two are kids. We’re buying for now/the near future. RW is next priority I reckon and aye it’s Miggy/Murphy but also Gordon or Barnes if necessary. CB is way above RW in current needs. I think VVD is way over-rated these days and probably always was, he’s lucky he’s not played his career with strikers the level of a Henry or Shearer knocking about. Disagree like. We have loads of depth at centre back, and are way stronger there than at RW, even taking the injuries into account. I get why we’re trying to strengthen CB given Burn and Schar’s age. But honestly, I think Schar has at least another season or two in him - he’s been one of our most consistent players since the takeover. And I question why we would chuck almost our entire summer budget on that area when we’re looking at Miggy or Murphy out wide on the right for another season. It’s obviously the weakest area of the squad and the one that hasn’t been upgraded since the Ashley era. Edited August 17 by Dr Gloom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19975 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Disagree like. We have loads of depth at centre back, and are way stronger there than at RW, even taking the injuries into account. I get why we’re trying to strengthen CB given Burn and Schar’s age. But honestly, I think Schar has at least another season or two in him - he’s been one of our most consistent players since the takeover. And I question why we would chuck almost our entire summer budget on that area when we’re looking at Miggy or Murphy out wide on the right for another season. It’s obviously the weakest area of the squad and the one that hasn’t been upgraded since the Ashley era. So hence why we should be strengthening now? Rather than waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1248 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Should go for Tomori and that PSV winger Bakayoko instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9293 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 23 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: So hence why we should be strengthening now? Rather than waiting? Yep, better to replace a player a year too early than a year too late. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4721 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 13 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: Should go for Tomori and that PSV winger Bakayoko instead Tomori is one im genuinely surprised we havent been linked with all that much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21846 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Toonpack said: Yep, better to replace a player a year too early than a year too late. but we have good enough CBs for this season, even despite the injuries. I don’t think we can get top 4 again relying on Miggy and Murphy at RW. I love both of them. Can’t question their attitude or work rate but they’re not elite wingers. Miggy’s purple patch helped us to champions league last time but it was a purple patch and he reverted to type last season. I’m much more confident about our options at centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32824 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Andrew said: Tomori is one im genuinely surprised we havent been linked with all that much. Were we linked with Tonali? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11158 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 3 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Were we linked with Tonali? But we weren't putting in increasing bids for another midfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9293 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 41 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: but we have good enough CBs for this season, even despite the injuries. I don’t think we can get top 4 again relying on Miggy and Murphy at RW. I love both of them. Can’t question their attitude or work rate but they’re not elite wingers. Miggy’s purple patch helped us to champions league last time but it was a purple patch and he reverted to type last season. I’m much more confident about our options at centre back. We create a bucketload of chances irrespective of their attacking weaknesses, at the back we’re not so resolute, Pope gets hurt again and we’re screwed. Improve what’s in front of him and you are also mitigating that. CB always was my opinion/#1 need, then developmental striker (we’ve done that) then RW and maybe a #6 although Hall may end up being the latter if extra protection needed. It’s as much “out of possession” contribution as the attacking stuff and Miggy in particular brings a shitload of that. Howe in his PC actually referred to/mentioned that. Yeah I’d love an elite winger but it ain’t critical to where we are just now IMO, it’s an icing on the cake sort of thing. Who are the elite in their early 20’s workaholic wingers? I have no idea tbh but Guehi is elite and likely will get better in a position of pretty imminent need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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