Transfers, 2024-25 season

[OTF 8374]

53 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

I get what you're saying there, but even then we're essentially taking a risk that we took when we had no money or prospects to hope that we get someone who can replicate what Wilson has done for us.  Surely there are better options out there, especially if we're talking £35m?

And yes, Wilson or DCL, is not enough backup for Isak alone.  We need a 3rd choice striker too.  I'm under no allusions that we can get players like Sesko to come and play as backup, but Gordon/Joelinton/academy players aren't up the job.  Of course we're very early into the transfer window so we may well have a plan for this.  But again I'd prefer not to be replacing a crock with a crock.

 

I can't see us spending £35m on DCL, even if that's what Everton want. We paid £20m for Wilson and the market has risen substantially since then still £35m for DCL is overs. Wilson has been an excellent signing even accounting for all the time he has missed with injuries and Mrs Wykiki.

 

We're on the tightrope of FFP and PSR and not wanting to tarnish the hard work we have done thus far to adhere to it I can't see us resorting to Man City and Chelsea style operations where bending of rules end up being tolerated (thus far) due to size and legal position. What that means, especially with no European income, is essentials only whilst we hang onto our best talent and move on anyone non-critical who gives us a balance sheet boost. Just threw up a little in my mouth thinking of Mike Ashley as I formed that last sentence.

[OTF 8374]

1 hour ago, David Kelly said:

I'm under no allusions that we can get players like Sesko to come and play as backup, but Gordon/Joelinton/academy players aren't up the job.  Of course we're very early into the transfer window so we may well have a plan for this.  But again I'd prefer not to be replacing a crock with a crock.

 

Having watched our academy players get fucking thumped by A-League "All-Stars" I'm quite certain that there’s none amongst that bunch (Kuol included) who are up to scratch.

[David Kelly 1334]

1 minute ago, OTF said:

 

I can't see us spending £35m on DCL, even if that's what Everton want. We paid £20m for Wilson and the market has risen substantially since then still £35m for DCL is overs. Wilson has been an excellent signing even accounting for all the time he has missed with injuries and Mrs Wykiki.

 

We're on the tightrope of FFP and PSR and not wanting to tarnish the hard work we have done thus far to adhere to it I can't see us resorting to Man City and Chelsea style operations where bending of rules end up being tolerated (thus far) due to size and legal position. What that means, especially with no European income, is essentials only whilst we hang onto our best talent and move on anyone non-critical who gives us a balance sheet boost. Just threw up a little in my mouth thinking of Mike Ashley as I formed that last sentence.

I get all of the PSR stuff, but there's still nothing about signing DCL as a replacement for Wilson that looks good to me.  He might prove otherwise, but at this stage I can't see how it's anything but a downgrade.

[David Kelly 1334]

1 minute ago, OTF said:

 

Having watched our academy players get fucking thumped by A-League "All-Stars" I'm quite certain that there’s none amongst that bunch (Kuol included) who are up to scratch.

Exactly.  Regardless of any deals for Wilson and DCL, we need an additional striker.

[Gemmill 49637]

I think the plan is to swap Minteh for DCL and say that it was a £35m value for PSR. I imagine if Minteh to Everton doesn't happen, then DCL to Newcastle won't happen. 

[OTF 8374]

3 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

I get all of the PSR stuff, but there's still nothing about signing DCL as a replacement for Wilson that looks good to me.  He might prove otherwise, but at this stage I can't see how it's anything but a downgrade.

 

Being totally honest I actually think DCL is a good player, agressive, athletic with good straight line pace especially for his size. A very good header of the ball, can finish with both feet and is good at getting under the skin of defenders (partly because he's a bit of a wanker). He's better than Wilson is currently but if there could be improvement under Howe I could see him fitting in well, that's if we're interested in him. If we're not he's a complete and utter bellend.

[David Kelly 1334]

17 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I think the plan is to swap Minteh for DCL and say that it was a £35m value for PSR. I imagine if Minteh to Everton doesn't happen, then DCL to Newcastle won't happen. 

Yeah I was thinking that too.  In that sense and others, I'm hoping Minteh ends up elsewhere.

[David Kelly 1334]

Just now, OTF said:

 

Being totally honest I actually think DCL is a good player, agressive, athletic with good straight line pace especially for his size. A very good header of the ball, can finish with both feet and is good at getting under the skin of defenders (partly because he's a bit of a wanker). He's better than Wilson is currently but if there could be improvement under Howe I could see him fitting in well, that's if we're interested in him. If we're not he's a complete and utter bellend.

Nothing about DLC's last three seasons would suggest he's better than Wilson.  He's only ever had two good seasons.  What from I can tell, even Everton supporters don't massively rate him.

[OTF 8374]

19 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I think the plan is to swap Minteh for DCL and say that it was a £35m value for PSR. I imagine if Minteh to Everton doesn't happen, then DCL to Newcastle won't happen. 

 

Everton will probably be happy significantly lowering the wage bill whilst technically not allowing DCL to whittle down the contract and leave on a free.

[Gemmill 49637]

Well if it does, we've got a PSR problem and 6 days to find a new solution, assuming this is a 30 June thing. 

[Gemmill 49637]

3 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

Yeah I was thinking that too.  In that sense and others, I'm hoping Minteh ends up elsewhere.

 

Well if it does, we have a PSR problem and 6 days to find a solution, assuming this is a 30 June thing which I assume it is. 

[RobinRobin 12427]

3 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

What from I can tell, even Everton supporters don't massively rate him.

Thank God for that. Should be brilliant given their track record. 

[OTF 8374]

3 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

Nothing about DLC's last three seasons would suggest he's better than Wilson.  He's only ever had two good seasons.  What from I can tell, even Everton supporters don't massively rate him.

Everton have been wholly dire for several seasons, though they weren't last terrible last season. He's a finisher. If it was a swap between the two (it's not) IMO it would be a no brainer to get the player 5 years younger who's superior in the air and has been playing hamstrung by a poor side. Many Everton supporters didn't rate Gordon.

[David Kelly 1334]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Well if it does, we have a PSR problem and 6 days to find a solution, assuming this is a 30 June thing which I assume it is. 

I did read that Lyon were willing to pay what we want.  Seems unlikely they can afford to spunk £30-£40m on a pretty untried 19 yr old like.

[David Kelly 1334]

2 minutes ago, OTF said:

Everton have been wholly dire for several seasons, though they weren't last terrible last season. He's a finisher. If it was a swap between the two (it's not) IMO it would be a no brainer to get the player 5 years younger who's superior in the air and has been playing hamstrung by a poor side. Many Everton supporters didn't rate Gordon.

He couldn't hit a barn door for most of last season until the Burnley keeper kicked one off his arse.  I'm not saying he's shit by any means but age is the only thing he has over Wilson.  He's not at the level Wilson has been for us.

[Polarboy 2317]

I was looking at DCL's injury record and it seems like he may have just had a tough recovery from the broken toe that kept him out for ages. Players usually do get niggling injuries when coming back from such long lay offs, so hopefully that's all it is and he's not going to have a career like Wilson's in terms of injury. One season obviously isn't enough data to say he's going to be fine going forward, but he was fit for the vast majority of last season. As for his goalscoring record it's unsurprising that his confidence and subsequently his goal scoring record would be down at a club like Everton. I'd back Howe to get him back to approaching a 1 in 2 striker which he managed at Everton a few seasons back. 

[Howmanheyman 36398]

1 hour ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

I know what I think, if he's joining them cunts I hope he's fucking shite.

 

I hope we've got a very good sell on clause which we should have if we're in a better position to bargain than Everton. 

[Dr Gloom 23515]

15 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

I hope we've got a very good sell on clause which we should have if we're in a better position to bargain than Everton. 

 

first dibs via a buyback clause for not much more than we sold him for, would also be a smart move

[Dazzler 11674]

12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

first dibs via a buyback clause for not much more than we sold him for, would also be a smart move

The PSG approach to selling talented youth players.

[acrossthepond 979]

He's absolute dogshit, let's not delude ourselves. If this is a fiddle to get around PSR then I accept it as the cost of doing business, and no doubt that loophole will quickly be closed since it was benefiting clubs like us and Villa who the big boys can't allow to get to the top table. But if this is in any way us paying actual pounds sterling for Calvert-Lewin then somebody in the club hierarchy needs their head looked at because he is wretched. We'll need another striker to come in to play backup to Isak because DCL is not good enough or fit enough for that role. 

[MrBass 3004]

1 hour ago, David Kelly said:

He couldn't hit a barn door for most of last season until the Burnley keeper kicked one off his arse.  I'm not saying he's shit by any means but age is the only thing he has over Wilson.  He's not at the level Wilson has been for us.

 

I think one of the mods needs to rename David's account to "Wilsons Ego"

[The Mighty Hog 571]

 

 

[Gemmill 49637]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

I think the plan is to swap Minteh for DCL and say that it was a £35m value for PSR. I imagine if Minteh to Everton doesn't happen, then DCL to Newcastle won't happen. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gemmill 49637]

If this was our banker PSR fiddle, it does now put us in a pickle. 

[OTF 8374]

6 minutes ago, The Mighty Hog said:

 

 

So as I was saying DCL is fucking shit.