RobElliott 1791 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 4 minutes ago, The Fish said: That's a fair point. That might shift Longstaff into my crosshairs. When you say crosshairs, do you mean the when you go on excel and do borders inside 4 cells and none on the outside? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11313 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 Just now, RobElliott said: When you say crosshairs, do you mean the when you go on excel and do borders inside 4 cells and none on the outside? And you're on the list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22705 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 20 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I think we need to move away from thinking about first 11 and who gets in ahead of them, and think more of it as a squad. I don't think you could strengthen by much, if at all, by selling Willock and using whatever that frees up to reinvest. Also, we bought Willock for 35m a couple of seasons ago, the FFP profit on him wouldn't be huge. Our lack of strength in squad this season has what has done us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 when everyone is fit, Willock starts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 1 hour ago, The Fish said: I think you're misunderstanding the central point. Say there are three groups within the squad, we can argue about which player fits in which group, but as a starter I put it like this. Group 1 - The 'Purple players' Group 2 - Squad players Group 3- the Fringe Nobody in group 3 would command a decent fee, so lets rules them out as options to increase FFP wriggle room. So that leaves groups 1 and 2. Without spending a LOT of money on a replacement, I can't see anyone in group 1 that we should sell and it would leave us in a similar position where we're either putting square pegs in round holes, or significantly dropping the standard of player by using a deputy from groups 2 or 3. So that leaves group 2. In that group you've got a couple of young lads coming through in Anderson and Miley, their stock is set to rise and we don't yet know what their real ceiling is, and you've got Hall who isn't our player yet so we can't sell him anyway, so lets scratch them off the list. Dan Burn and Longstaff have shown they can play on the biggest stage and while we will need to upgrade them both, right now they appear integral to how Howe wants us to play, so they're out. So, who does that leave you with? And of those, who'd command the biggest fee? And who plays in a position we have depth in? I mean, if everyone is fit, who does Willock get in ahead of? Bruno? Joelinton? Tonali? Longstaff? He's a great option to have on the bench, or for certain opponents, but he doesn't command a starting place ahead of those lads. So, if that is the case, and we need money to bring in players for expensive positions (DM, RW & CF), does it not make sense to sell our most valuable, least integral player? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11313 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 Just now, Dr Gloom said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22705 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 16 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: when everyone is fit, Willock starts Over Longstaff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4557 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 15 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: when everyone is fit, Willock starts I've said before the interlink/crossover with the two Joe's between midfield and wide left is our best option going by our best performances last season. I'd persevere with Gordon on the right in that context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 4 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Over Longstaff? maybe but not necessarily. you could play him over miggy, put joelonton wide on the left and gordon on the right. the point is though that willock brings something unique. no one else in the squad can carry the ball like him. vitally important to our success last year and we have really missed him this season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22705 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 Plus like G-Dogg says, it shouldn't be seen as 'Willock brought in for Longstaff' it should be seen as rotating and keeping things fresh etc,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 12 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Plus like G-Dogg says, it shouldn't be seen as 'Willock brought in for Longstaff' it should be seen as rotating and keeping things fresh etc,. yes, we illustrated pretty beautifully what happens when you play a high intensity game 2/3 times a week without rotation. willock is 100% part of the first team though - after bruno and joelinton, i'd say he's most important midfielder. he was outrageously good last season. not banging in as many goals compared to when he first joined but he was technically brilliant - superb energy, pace, ball carrying and pressing. the player we have missed most this season, if you ask me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11313 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 But Gordon's form means Joelinton and Willock won't join up on that left side like they did last season. We play with 3 in midfield. Bruno has to start, but to get the best out of him, he needs physicality and/or tenacity around him. So that means 2 from Joelinton, Longstaff, Miley and Willock. Of those 4 only Longstaff and Joelinton can be relied upon to give the bite we need in midfield. Willock is basically a more narrow left winger, imo. In that position we have Barnes and Gordon, plus Joelinton or Isak at a fucking push. As I've said, if we didn't have financial restraints, or if we had the full strength team, I wouldn't countenance selling Willock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 willock is above almiron in the pecking order. and i sill think we keep miggy as a squad player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36429 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 3 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: Guess the poster who has too much time on their hands? I would say me but even if I had the excel knowledge would I fuck be making a spreadsheet out about it. I sometimes envy fish his drive to get stuck into his hobby because I sure as fuck don't have it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11313 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 24 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: willock is above almiron in the pecking order. and i sill think we keep miggy as a squad player Really? I'm not sure. Willock is behind Bruno, Joelinton and arguably Longstaff and Tonali in midfield. He's certainly behind Gordon and arguably Barnes on the left. Whereas Almiron is the first choice right winger, even when everyone is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11313 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 21 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I would say me but even if I had the excel knowledge would I fuck be making a spreadsheet out about it. I sometimes envy fish his drive to get stuck into his hobby because I sure as fuck don't have it. You wouldn't believe how motivated I am to avoid doing my actual work. Which is dicking about with coding and excel, for what it's worth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36429 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 Just now, The Fish said: You wouldn't believe how motivated I am to avoid doing my actual work. Which is dicking about with coding and excel, for what it's worth. That's fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11313 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 6 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: That's fair enough. Genuinely thought I'd hit gold when I was given an apprentice to 'help with my workload' . Trouble is, she's thick as fuck and can't follow simple step by step instructions. Also, she doesn't understand fractions; 36/30 because "there's 36 of them and 30 were successful"... I swear to God. So I end up having to actually undo her work, and do it again with her watching which means I can't open the file I've made which does it for me automatically. She's also emailed a senior manager to say a report would be delayed, she sent " Hi [Name Redacted], soz about this, but the SDM will be late cos of people being off over Xmas. Cheers [Name redacted] 😝" And she's hoping for a job at the end of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36429 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 Fish 🤝 Wykiki 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 18952 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 A couple of comments saying Wilson is going in the other direction 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 41 minutes ago, The Fish said: Really? I'm not sure. Willock is behind Bruno, Joelinton and arguably Longstaff and Tonali in midfield. He's certainly behind Gordon and arguably Barnes on the left. Whereas Almiron is the first choice right winger, even when everyone is fit. disagree. willock starts when everyone is fit. even if it means shunting gordon over to the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23549 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 20 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: A couple of comments saying Wilson is going in the other direction 🤷🏻♂️ smacks a bit of chris wood, but we shouldn' be letting wilson go as part of the deal. we need three strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobElliott 1791 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 I would be happy with that deal, while Wilson has been great, he is always injured and on the decline I think Solanke has been having a great season but yes we do need another striker. Solanke much better than Chris wood iyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49696 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 43 minutes ago, RobElliott said: Solanke much better than Chris wood iyam Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7601 Posted January 10, 2024 Share Posted January 10, 2024 Ideally we would keep Wilson, but a swap deal + cash is better than nowt. Solanke is younger and not a cripple. Decent step up for him too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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