Transfers, 2024-25 season

[trophyshy 7308]

6 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

good, dont need him

[wykikitoon 22715]

10 minutes ago, MrBass said:

Not sure why we wouldn't do that. If he doesn't fulfil his potential we can always flog him to Forest and he can come back and score a hat trick against us as a later date. 

If City want to flog him to us for £75m I can see us baulking at that.

[MrBass 3011]

8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

If City want to flog him to us for £75m I can see us baulking at that.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4244]

11 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Apparently having 3 keeps on the bench and an exhausted midfield is good.  

If he isn’t fit enough to play though then he’s just a waste of money 

[wykikitoon 22715]

Who is going to loan someone of his calibre to us that's up to speed?
Who is going to sell someone of his calibre that is up to speed that currently sits within our FFP criteria?

 

[trophyshy 7308]

15 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

 

Overweight, injury prone, has barely played in the last 2 years.

 

By the time Eddie whips him into shape, assuming he doesnt break down, everyone will be back anyways. Might as well look for someone who can come in straight away

[Dazzler 11680]

15 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

If he isn’t fit enough to play though then he’s just a waste of money 

If he's fit enough to warm Pep's bench then he's fit enough to come off said bench for us IMO. Especially at the minute, when we have zero rotation options. However, if they want an obligation to buy they can get fucked. Make it optional and we can have a conversation at the end of the season.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4244]

3 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

If he's fit enough to warm Pep's bench then he's fit enough to come off said bench for us IMO. Especially at the minute, when we have zero rotation options. However, if they want an obligation to buy they can get fucked. Make it optional and we can have a conversation at the end of the season.

He has played 89 minutes in total in the premier league this season. What’s the fucking point in playing an unfit player or having a player on the bench who can’t really come on and compete. Ffs people try thinking about this shit. That’s not even taking into consideration we have never actually played with a proper defensive midfielder so his playing would change the whole dynamic of the team. But lets get him in because err… something need bodies something. If we need bodies this badly we’d be better off going to a morgue 

[Dazzler 11680]

2 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

He has played 89 minutes in total in the premier league this season. What’s the fucking point in playing an unfit player or having a player on the bench who can’t really come on and compete. Ffs people try thinking about this shit. That’s not even taking into consideration we have never actually played with a proper defensive midfielder so his playing would change the whole dynamic of the team. But lets get him in because err… something need bodies something. If we need bodies this badly we’d be better off going to a morgue 

So similar minutes to Tonali who'd have a lot of our fans ripping it off at the hinge end if his ban was suddenly overturned.

 

If he's training, and on the bench ready to play for Man City I couldn't give a shit how many minutes he's played, and don't believe he's as out and out a defensive midfielder as is being made out. A player ready to play 45-60 minutes at the drop of a hat, with PL experience, is better than adding yet another goalie to the bench, wouldn't you agree? If we don't get him, so be it. We may get someone else, but to turn your nose up at a player like Phillips because he's not good enough to get into one of the best teams in world football is a bit extreme.

 

Also, what's the harm in changing up our system a bit, which judging by the results of late, isn't exactly working.

[ewerk 33079]

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CRAIG HOPE: I’m told the deal is unlikely at present because of the numbers involved. Manchester City, at least before Christmas, had quoted a loan fee in excess of £7m with an obligation to buy.

Newcastle would have to negotiate a deal more suited to them for the move to progress.

As one source said to me this week: ‘Newcastle would like to see Phillips done, but don’t hold your breath’.

Of course, there remains a decent chance that a compromise will be met, but the word this week has been one of doubt.

Brinkmanship? Almost certainly. Don't be surprised to see movement towards the end of the window, despite the early pessimism.

 

A £7m loan fee sounds expensive.

[Dazzler 11680]

Oh well, we'd best get MBS to send the Khashoggi boys round to Neves' digs to 'convince' him to move to us on loan.

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

I think an obligation to buy could be dangerous for our FFP. 

 

Not too bothered that he hasn't played under Pep. Pep is very open about having set ways of playing and that certain players just do not fit into those roles. I think he said something along these lines about Walker. 

 

I hope that Philips comes under this heading. He was great at Leeds and I enjoyed watching him play for England. 

 

We went for months without playing Bruno, Tonali hardly played for us before his ban. Howe moulded them into what he wanted where as Pep has more luxury of having a wealth of talent to not need to do this as much. 

[Dr Gloom 23555]

i'm getting a bit bored of the club pretending to be mr nice guy to the established elite. i want to see a big fuck you statement to the european super league wankers. announce some absurd stadium naming rights deal to help finance a january splurge then raid the saudi pro league. fuck em. 

 

[Isegrim 10326]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

i'm getting a bit bored of the club pretending to be mr nice guy to the established elite. i want to see a big fuck you statement to the european super league wankers. announce some absurd stadium naming rights deal to help finance a january splurge then raid the saudi pro league. fuck em. 

 

They would make an example of us. We have seen how the ”big“ ones react to feel threatened. Us committing even the tiniest infringement of FFP would see us thrown a whole library at us. Us working our way up by sticking to the rules will be the biggest insult.

[Alex 36653]

3 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

I have no idea what im looking at BOOMER

It’s your phone 👍🏻

[Alex 36653]

2 hours ago, ewerk said:

 

A £7m loan fee sounds expensive.

It’s definitely fucking expensive if there’s an obligation to buy too

[Dr Gloom 23555]

7 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

They would make an example of us. We have seen how the ”big“ ones react to feel threatened. Us committing even the tiniest infringement of FFP would see us thrown a whole library at us. Us working our way up by sticking to the rules will be the biggest insult.

they could do it by bending the rules though. An extra £50m from Sela to call SJP Sella St James’ or something. And go and raid the Saudi pro league. They couldn’t change the rules to stop us doing that 

[Dr Gloom 23555]

I should add I do agree it would be more satisfying if we beat them playing by their rules but we’re fighting on several fronts. New spending rules designed specifically to slow us, FFP protectionism designed to protect the “big six”, the European coefficients which does the same, the bent VAR, refs and media which does everything it can to protect the box office clubs with the fans all over the world. I’m not even suggesting breaking the rules btw. But we can definitely be cannier than we have

been so far 

Edited January 3, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

FFP does nothing but protect the positions at the top of the table. 

 

Manchester United have a sponsor for their food vendors etc. Don't they?

 

I think we need to be far pettier than adding to the St James' Park. I cannot see why we cannot have the Sela stairway. A Noon concord with a yellow floor. Saudi Airways floodlights. We could get someone to sponsor those stools that the ball boys sit on. There are loads of them as well. Aramaco could sponsor the tunnel. 

[Isegrim 10326]

12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

they could do it by bending the rules though. An extra £50m from Sela to call SJP Sella St James’ or something. And go and raid the Saudi pro league. They couldn’t change the rules to stop us doing that 

They would because it would change the terms they agreed would be fair value (for them not for us).

 

We are in no position to bend the rules. But I will not call it being unfortunate because the joy of us shoving their attempts to keep us small into their face by working our way up will be really worth it.

[Diego21 2155]

3 hours ago, ewerk said:

 

A £7m loan fee sounds expensive.

 

 

Teams that loan out a player usually ask for a loan fee, which is what they have to pay per year for that player (amortization).

I explain.

 

The amortization is calculated by dividing the transfer price by the number of years that have been signed. Kalvin cost 42M and signed for 6 seasons, so 42/6 is equal to 7M.

City must register, per year, to pay for Kalvin, 7M + his annual salary.

 

It is normal for City to ask that price for him. Surely, now in winter, the rate will be half or a little less. Close to 3M.

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

1 minute ago, Diego21 said:

 

 

Teams that loan out a player usually ask for a loan fee, which is what they have to pay per year for that player (amortization).

I explain.

 

The amortization is calculated by dividing the transfer price by the number of years that have been signed. Kalvin cost 42M and signed for 6 seasons, so 42/6 is equal to 7M.

City must register, per year, to pay for Kalvin, 7M + his annual salary.

 

It is normal for City to ask that price for him. Surely, now in winter, the rate will be half or a little less. Close to 3M.

I have never thought about that. It makes so much sense. Every day, you learn something new. Thank you.

[ewerk 33079]

8 minutes ago, Diego21 said:

 

 

Teams that loan out a player usually ask for a loan fee, which is what they have to pay per year for that player (amortization).

I explain.

 

The amortization is calculated by dividing the transfer price by the number of years that have been signed. Kalvin cost 42M and signed for 6 seasons, so 42/6 is equal to 7M.

City must register, per year, to pay for Kalvin, 7M + his annual salary.

 

It is normal for City to ask that price for him. Surely, now in winter, the rate will be half or a little less. Close to 3M.

That’s exactly my point. £7m for a player who could play in a maximum of 17 league games for us if we signed him today is too high, especially when we don’t know how long it will take him to get to full fitness.

[Diego21 2155]

6 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

 

 

18 mil ?

 

What do you think Diego? 

As I said at the time, I haven't seen much of the player. Although the few times I have seen him, I have liked him (generally they have been U20 tournaments, where he made the difference more).

 

He seems cheap to me for the prices paid today, especially if we take into account that he is considered the 3rd best young forward in Brazil after Endrick and Vitor Roque (for whom €70 and €60M have been paid).

 

I think that if we have the money (although we couldn't register him this winter due to the FFP but we were thinking about next year) and that if the club was convinced of him, for that price we should have signed him.

[Diego21 2155]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

That’s exactly my point. £7m for a player who could play in a maximum of 17 league games for us if we signed him today is too high, especially when we don’t know how long it will take him to get to full fitness.

But Ewerk, I think the 7m loan was in summer, isn't it?

 

I mean, I guess City ask 3'5n now in winter.

 

PS; Surely, the most difficult thing to accept would be that City wants us to pay almost their entire fee, which must be very high.