Transfers, 2024-25 season

[gurru991 22]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

some twitter ITK bellend reckons we're getting harvey barnes for £25m 

English with two years left on his contract & scored 13 premier goals last season !!

I think he will be more than £25m !!

[Howay 12496]

2 hours ago, Polarboy said:

 

He was their best player before he got injured toward the end of the season. When your defensive mid is your best player, that says something about the level he's at compared to the team he's playing for. Palhinha at Fulham is probably the only other player at his level or a bit higher playing as a six outside of the "top six". Although I suppose Onana at Everton deserves a shout as well. So no, I don't subscribe to the notion that just because he plays for Leeds he's found his level. He's still quite young at 24 for a start, and was playing champions league football with Leipzig before he joined Leeds. 

I didn’t say he found his level at Leeds, I just see him as a bottom half-mid table average CM. Can’t say I’m impressed he was the best player for a very poor Leeds side Todd Cantwell was for Norwich not long ago, it’s also very debatable to say he was Leeds best since Harrison directly contributed in 25% of their PL goals, we’re in the CL and getting average midfield runners like him doesn’t improve us. I also don’t get where people are getting that he’d be cheap he cost them £20m last summer and is one year into a 5 year deal, that money would be far better spend elsewhere. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Howay

[Polarboy 2317]

33 minutes ago, Howay said:

I didn’t say he found his level at Leeds, I just see him as a bottom half-mid table average CM. Can’t say I’m impressed he was the best player for a very poor Leeds side Todd Cantwell was for Norwich not long ago, it’s also very debatable to say he was Leeds best since Harrison directly contributed in 25% of their PL goals, we’re in the CL and getting average midfield runners like him doesn’t improve us. I also don’t get where people are getting that he’d be cheap he cost them £20m last summer and is one year into a 5 year deal, that money would be far better spend elsewhere. 

 

OK, fair enough you were talking about bottom half of the PL and Leeds obviously got relegated, but I still think he's better than bottom half of the PL. In terms of value for money for good defensive mids I don't see that many better options, unless you could unearth a gem outside the PL. And I also want us to spend big on RW, LB etc, but again I think Adams would be the value for money option. As for not needing him I saw a quite convincing tactical analysis of the team last season, he had graphs, clips and everything 😉👍 , and he was basically saying that not having a specialist six who can just sit, and having hybrid players like Bruno back there makes us more flexible going forward but leaves us vulnerable on the counter. I think it was pretty obvious to everyone on here that we got found out a little bit in the second half of the season, and found it tough to keep those clean sheets we were getting for fun previously. All the top teams have at least one player who can play that role in front of the defence, and it's not as simple as being a runner and an athlete. We don't have that type so getting one will definitely improve the squad. 

[Polarboy 2317]

I see we've been linked with that attacking mid/winger Jesper Lindstrom lad who plays for Eintracht Frankfurt. There's German reports that he wants to leave the club to play champions league football. The only other teams seriously linked with him are Liverpool and Chelsea. Liverpool are very unlikely to go after him now they have Szoboszlai obviously. From what little I've seen of him he looks like a bit of an improvement on the likes of Almiron and Murphy, but that's not all that inspiring. It could easily just be his agent trying to drum up interest. I also read, can't remember where, that Chiesa is very unlikely given what his wage demands will be, and that all the stories in the Italian press have been driven by his agent. I'm pretty sure it was in one of the mainstream publications and not an ITK. 

[Polarboy 2317]

 

Can't see us paying 40m for him if that's what Palace will insist on. He is quite similar to Schar in that he's very comfortable on the ball with accurate long passing, and he's four years younger of course, so he makes sense as a younger alternative/competition for Schar. Ed Aarons writes for the Guardian for those who don't know. It seems twitter has changed something whereby you can't embed tweets anymore. 

[Kid Dynamite 7634]

https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1676306353420136470?s=20

 

Snap their hand off. Asking price is double whatever Harvey Barnes is going for 

[Howmanheyman 36572]

9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1676306353420136470?s=20

 

Snap their hand off. Asking price is double whatever Harvey Barnes is going for 

 

Only thing is he's full of shit normally. 

[Isegrim 10339]

[Monkeys Fist 45138]

1 hour ago, Polarboy said:

 

Can't see us paying 40m for him if that's what Palace will insist on. He is quite similar to Schar in that he's very comfortable on the ball with accurate long passing, and he's four years younger of course, so he makes sense as a younger alternative/competition for Schar. Ed Aarons writes for the Guardian for those who don't know. It seems twitter has changed something whereby you can't embed tweets anymore. 

The wording- “Newcastle and another top six club…”

 

Which implies, correctly, that we are a top six club. 
 

Which means, someone has dropped out of the “top six” clubs.…

 

 

 

[Polarboy 2317]

Chalobah off Chelsea is an interesting link for competition for Schar, if there's anything in it. 23, 6'4, quick, athletic, good on the ball, and can play right back as well so would be the cover we need for Trippier, given the Livramento bid has gone quiet. The big snag is that Chelsea aren't likely to do us any favours, and his contract isn't up until 2028, so there'll be no discounts on the price. But supposedly he's been told he can leave, and is aware that he won't get many minutes in the upcoming season. 

 

Guler, the Turkish 18 year old wonderkid attacking mid, is off to Madrid. Not sure how serious our interest ever was, or indeed if we had any, but he'd surely have gotten more minutes at a team like us. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Polarboy

[Billy Whitehurst 1000]

18 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

Chalobah off Chelsea is an interesting link for competition for Schar, if there's anything in it. 23, 6'4, quick, athletic, good on the ball, and can play right back as well so would be the cover we need for Trippier, given the Livramento bid has gone quiet. The big snag is that Chelsea aren't likely to do us any favours, and his contract isn't up until 2028, so there'll be no discounts on the price. But supposedly he's been told he can leave, and is aware that he won't get many minutes in the upcoming season. 

 

Guler, the Turkish 18 year old wonderkid attacking mid, is off to Madrid. Not sure how serious our interest ever was, or indeed if we had any, but he'd surely have gotten more minutes at a team like us. 

I’ve seen Chalobah quite a few times, a total liability. Lascelles, who I don’t particularly rate, is a far better back-up.

[Polarboy 2317]

14 minutes ago, Billy Whitehurst said:

I’ve seen Chalobah quite a few times, a total liability. Lascelles, who I don’t particularly rate, is a far better back-up.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're talking nonsense. Lascelles may as well be running in treacle as compared to Chalobah for a start, he can actually pass the ball, and is even comfortable enough on the ball to play in midfield, whereas Lascelles' first instinct is to hoof it as far as possible. And if you're basing your opinion on games from last season it was basically a write off for the entire Chelsea squad. I mean even if you just took it as Chalobah having just turned 24, with plenty of room to develop and learn, it's absurd to say that Lascelles is a better option as back up. 

[Billy Whitehurst 1000]

3 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're talking nonsense. Lascelles may as well be running in treacle as compared to Chalobah for a start, he can actually pass the ball, and is even comfortable enough on the ball to play in midfield, whereas Lascelles' first instinct is to hoof it as far as possible. And if you're basing your opinion on games from last season it was basically a write off for the entire Chelsea squad. I mean even if you just took it as Chalobah having just turned 24, with plenty of room to develop and learn, it's absurd to say that Lascelles is a better option as back up. 

 

I live near Stamford Bridge and get tickets for a lot of Chelsea matches, the boy is a bit of a liability and the Chelsea fans will be delighted if he leaves. I can’t remember a game in which he has played where he has not had a howler. This was under both Tuchel and Potter over the past couple of seasons when he first started to get a game for them. Maybe watch him play a few matches before you start dismissing others opinions as ‘absurd’ and ‘nonsense’ otherwise you come across as a bit of a prat. I can’t remember ever seeing him play in midfield although, given he’d struggle to trap a bag of cement, I imagine it would be a bit like Mike Williamson playing there.

 

 

[Kitman 2333]

Just apropos of nothing, atm our signings seem to come out of the blue and the players we are supposed to be in for invariably go somewhere else.
 

I had never heard of Tonali and didnt see anything to link us with him until his agent confirmed he was about to sign.
 

Which makes me think

 

1. All the ITKs/media wittering on about our supposed targets/enquiries/offers are just speculating and dont really have a clue

2. A transfer is going to be pretty much done and dusted before we hear a whisper about it

3.  The more we're heavily linked with a player in the media (Maddison, Szoboszlai etc) the less likely it is we're actually in for them

 

The club seems very tight on security of info these days, not only targets and negotations but also transfer budget, wages etc.

 

This leads me to conclude that any intel thats in the wind about "preparing a bid" is crapola, probably put about by the player's agent to put pressure on another club's negotations.

[Polarboy 2317]

1 hour ago, Billy Whitehurst said:

 

I live near Stamford Bridge and get tickets for a lot of Chelsea matches, the boy is a bit of a liability and the Chelsea fans will be delighted if he leaves. I can’t remember a game in which he has played where he has not had a howler. This was under both Tuchel and Potter over the past couple of seasons when he first started to get a game for them. Maybe watch him play a few matches before you start dismissing others opinions as ‘absurd’ and ‘nonsense’ otherwise you come across as a bit of a prat. I can’t remember ever seeing him play in midfield although, given he’d struggle to trap a bag of cement, I imagine it would be a bit like Mike Williamson playing there.

 

 

 

😂 I was well within my rights to call your opinion absurd when you're saying Lascelles is better cover than Chalobah potentially would be. What is Lascelles if not a total liability at this stage of his career. He's probably just about good enough to start for a promoted team, if even that. Lascelles' biggest contribution last season was to get a yellow card as sub on the side of the pitch, for stopping the opposition taking a quick throw in. And I've seen more than enough of Chalobah to form an opinion on him. And if you can't remember a match where he didn't have a howler maybe watch his debut against Palace where he got man of the match, or his man of the match performance against Juve in the Champions League. His stats if you want to compare them to Lascelles over their career's so far, has Chalobah on an average rating of 6.75 and Lascelles on 6.85. Chalobah still has the prime of his career as a centre back ahead of him, mistakes tend to be cut out when they reach around 27, so if he keeps developing he will easily put up numbers that overtake the peak of Lascelles' career. And lets not forget the abomination that was Chelsea's last season. His numbers will have taken a major hit in a year where Chelsea barely played as a team. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Polarboy

[Polarboy 2317]

12 minutes ago, Kitman said:

Just apropos of nothing, atm our signings seem to come out of the blue and the players we are supposed to be in for invariably go somewhere else.
 

I had never heard of Tonali and didnt see anything to link us with him until his agent confirmed he was about to sign.
 

Which makes me think

 

1. All the ITKs/media wittering on about our supposed targets/enquiries/offers are just speculating and dont really have a clue

2. A transfer is going to be pretty much done and dusted before we hear a whisper about it

3.  The more we're heavily linked with a player in the media (Maddison, Szoboszlai etc) the less likely it is we're actually in for them

 

The club seems very tight on security of info these days, not only targets and negotations but also transfer budget, wages etc.

 

This leads me to conclude that any intel thats in the wind about "preparing a bid" is crapola, probably put about by the player's agent to put pressure on another club's negotations.

 

A lot it is shite put out by agents etc, but there was an Italian journalist, or at least he wasn't British, who mooted the Tonali move a day or two before it happened I think. I can't recall his name off the top of my head. He was pretty much the only one iirc, and everyone else assumed that Tonali would never leave, so that's why it wasn't widely circulated. I generally agree with your point though. Whether it's agents, news of who teams have been seen scouting, which is then used as guess work etc. 

[Monkeys Fist 45138]

It’s almost as if journalists are a bit reluctant to try and get inside info from our new owners- can’t think why. 
 

 

[Polarboy 2317]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12263965/Livramento-prefers-join-Newcastle-Chelsea-Southampton-loan-holding-little-appeal.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailsport

[Kitman 2333]

I assume Diaby could be first choice on either wing 

 

 

 

[Billy Whitehurst 1000]

6 hours ago, Polarboy said:

 

😂 I was well within my rights to call your opinion absurd when you're saying Lascelles is better cover than Chalobah potentially would be. What is Lascelles if not a total liability at this stage of his career. He's probably just about good enough to start for a promoted team, if even that. Lascelles' biggest contribution last season was to get a yellow card as sub on the side of the pitch, for stopping the opposition taking a quick throw in. And I've seen more than enough of Chalobah to form an opinion on him. And if you can't remember a match where he didn't have a howler maybe watch his debut against Palace where he got man of the match, or his man of the match performance against Juve in the Champions League. His stats if you want to compare them to Lascelles over their career's so far, has Chalobah on an average rating of 6.75 and Lascelles on 6.85. Chalobah still has the prime of his career as a centre back ahead of him, mistakes tend to be cut out when they reach around 27, so if he keeps developing he will easily put up numbers that overtake the peak of Lascelles' career. And lets not forget the abomination that was Chelsea's last season. His numbers will have taken a major hit in a year where Chelsea barely played as a team. 

So you did all that digging and your argument is that he averages 6.75 vs 6.85 for Lascelles (who I already said I don’t particularly rate) a lot of the time alongside one or both of Silva or Rudiger.  That’s me convinced. Sign him up and let’s all start calling him ‘Der Kaiser’.

[PaddockLad 19004]

The most shocking thing about this is your visits to  Stamford Bridge @Billy Whitehurst 😱

[Dr Gloom 23630]

8 hours ago, Polarboy said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're talking nonsense. Lascelles may as well be running in treacle as compared to Chalobah for a start, he can actually pass the ball, and is even comfortable enough on the ball to play in midfield, whereas Lascelles' first instinct is to hoof it as far as possible. And if you're basing your opinion on games from last season it was basically a write off for the entire Chelsea squad. I mean even if you just took it as Chalobah having just turned 24, with plenty of room to develop and learn, it's absurd to say that Lascelles is a better option as back up. 

lascelles is much more likely to play a short sideways ball than try to launch it forwards. He lacks the composure on the ball and passing range that our other centre backs have but he is a good defender. I won’t be gutted if we do move him on but it should be for someone similar to schar but younger - a centre back who can defend, switch the play  and play long forward passes 

[Howmanheyman 36572]

8 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

The most shocking thing about this is your visits to  Stamford Bridge @Billy Whitehurst 😱

 

 

 

I'd rather shit in my hands and start clapping then go along there and sit with them lot watching Chelsea if I was offered tickets for zip.

 

[Isegrim 10339]

1 hour ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

 

 

Just RW

Perfect fit for Monaco then.

[Holden McGroin 7605]

I wonder if the Barella link was a deliberate false leak as a smokescreen if any our entourage was spotted in Milan.