The Fish 11323 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Harumph, that was a 99 (double 9) in my day, AND ALWAYS WILL BE what's this 66 bollocks. Fucking young'uns That's when you drop yours upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7332 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Harumph, that was a 99 (double 9) in my day, AND ALWAYS WILL BE what's this 66 bollocks. Fucking young'uns calm down teapot. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Apparently Chelsea forgot to submit any of the paper work for Ziyech’s move to PSG, so his move collapsed while he was sat at PSG’s general office. Considering some are making out that Boehly and his lot are cunning geniuses navigating FFP in ways no one has they look more like a bunch of amateurs who will cause severe issues down the line imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 11370 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Howay said: Apparently Chelsea forgot to submit any of the paper work for Ziyech’s move to PSG, so his move collapsed while he was sat at PSG’s general office. Considering some are making out that Boehly and his lot are cunning geniuses navigating FFP in ways no one has they look more like a bunch of amateurs who will cause severe issues down the line imo. Fucking shame that a player is going to be so pissed off he'll just have to console himself by sucking up wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 11370 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, The Fish said: That's when you drop yours upside down. Ah an inverted double pivot 99, why didn't you say so !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1340 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 My concern with the transfer window played out perfectly in a mini version last night. The three substitutions were made and with one of them being Willock we had no other options to bring on in midfield when they were getting well on top and threatening to make it a very nervous last ten minutes. And then Bruno gets sent off and we have no one to replace him (even at a lesser standard). So now for the next three games we have three central midfielders for the three positions on offer. We have no options off the bench if it's not working or another one of them gets injured/suspended. It may be fine and and the extra wide option of Gordon along with Isak and Wilson getting fitter and fitter, might get us through, but it could also be that it seriously derails our bid for champions league football next season. I'm not saying that I'm unhappy with the business we have done (ins and outs), I'm not saying that I'm not delighted at where we've got to in such a short space of time. I'm just disapointed that for whatever reason, we've not been able to build on it further in this window particularly in a season in which Liverpool and Chelsea in particular have massively disapointed and allowed us an opportunity to do something which could have huge implications on how we can finance our aims going forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23642 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, David Kelly said: My concern with the transfer window played out perfectly in a mini version last night. The three substitutions were made and with one of them being Willock we had no other options to bring on in midfield when they were getting well on top and threatening to make it a very nervous last ten minutes. And then Bruno gets sent off and we have no one to replace him (even at a lesser standard). So now for the next three games we have three central midfielders for the three positions on offer. We have no options off the bench if it's not working or another one of them gets injured/suspended. It may be fine and and the extra wide option of Gordon along with Isak and Wilson getting fitter and fitter, might get us through, but it could also be that it seriously derails our bid for champions league football next season. I'm not saying that I'm unhappy with the business we have done (ins and outs), I'm not saying that I'm not delighted at where we've got to in such a short space of time. I'm just disapointed that for whatever reason, we've not been able to build on it further in this window particularly in a season in which Liverpool and Chelsea in particular have massively disapointed and allowed us an opportunity to do something which could have huge implications on how we can finance our aims going forward. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 7625 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) I know what you are saying and feel similalry. However, I reckon Almiron can play the number 8 position for example - in a similar manner to Willock. After that....can we get Hendrick back? 🤪 Edited February 1, 2023 by Holden McGroin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6808 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) I totally get the point you're making DK, but in a bizarre sense I think it's a product of us getting ahead of the plan so to speak. The plan was to be challenging for CL in 3-5 years and here we are a little over 12 months in and we're already there. We're still at the stage where a) we're organically weeding out the dead wood and shitty long-term deals the previous ownership lumbered us with and b) we haven't yet got the commercial deals in place to back the necessary investment that the personnel, and selling clubs will demand. It's tremendous to think that we're challenging for the Champions League places already but it's questionable whether as a club we are truly ready for it. And the management infrastructure we have in place do not strike me as the type who would sign players to make up the numbers or just for the sake of it. They will identify their targets, go for them and if they don't land them they won't settle for something that comes up short in their minds. I would also add that they way the club has handled the situation with Shelvey oozes class. He's approaching 31 and clearly wasn't going to be offered the length of deal Forest offered. Howe seemed clearly at pains that he was moving on but they've allowed it to happen gracefully and with their blessing. Contrast that with how Everton dealt with Anthony Gordon wanting to leave, or even some of our players during the Ashley era. Edited February 1, 2023 by Craig 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4690 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 13 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: ABSOLUTE DISASTER Well the definition of absolute disaster seems to have changed significantly over the last 12 months 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4690 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Howay said: Apparently Chelsea forgot to submit any of the paper work for Ziyech’s move to PSG, so his move collapsed while he was sat at PSG’s general office. Considering some are making out that Boehly and his lot are cunning geniuses navigating FFP in ways no one has they look more like a bunch of amateurs who will cause severe issues down the line imo. Just been reading some of that, it truly sounds like an absolute shambles Hope they've got similarly competent people who're planning their finances. Can't be great for the dressing room atmosphere either, Ziyech must be seething. Craig just made a good point comparing this to how we've dealth with Shelvey. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11323 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, Craig said: I totally get the point you're making DK, but in a bizarre sense I think it's a product of us getting ahead of the plan so to speak. The plan was to be challenging for CL in 3-5 years and here we are a little over 12 months in and we're already there. We're still at the stage where a) we're organically weeding out the dead wood and shitty long-term deals the previous ownership lumbered us with and b) we haven't yet got the commercial deals in place to back the necessary investment that the personnel, and selling clubs will demand. It's tremendous to think that we're challenging for the Champions League places already but it's questionable whether as a club we are truly ready for it. And the management infrastructure we have in place do not strike me as the type who would sign players to make up the numbers or just for the sake of it. They will identify their targets, go for them and if they don't land them they won't settle for something that comes up short in their minds. I would also add that they way the club has handled the situation with Shelvey oozes class. He's approaching 31 and clearly wasn't going to be offered the length of deal Forest offered. Howe seemed clearly at pains that he was moving on but they've allowed it to happen gracefully and with their blessing. Contrast that with how Everton dealt with Anthony Gordon wanting to leave, or even some of our players during the Ashley era. Look at how we pursued Botman. We could have paid the extra money for him in January, but he wasn't convinced yet, the selling club dug their heels in and it turned out that we didn't need him. Fast Forward 6 months and we sign him for a fair price, the selling club are happy enough because they've had time to sort out a replacement, he's happy because he's had more time to be wooed/say his goodbyes/larn yesel Geordie and all that. This Franca kid, we 100% could have paid the £25m they were apparently asking for, but maybe he needs a little more convincing, the selling club have dug their heels in and that number 8 position is somewhere we're fairly well stocked right now. I also think the less we act like the richest club on the planet, the better business we'll get done. Can't imagine Newcastle spunking half a billion quid in a panic, disrupting the market place and fucking themselves in FFP terms. I honestly think the target for this season would have been pushing for Europe, a target that barring a catastrophe we should comfortably achieve. . 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1340 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, Craig said: I totally get the point you're making DK, but in a bizarre sense I think it's a product of us getting ahead of the plan so to speak. The plan was to be challenging for CL in 3-5 years and here we are a little over 12 months in and we're already there. We're still at the stage where a) we're organically weeding out the dead wood and shitty long-term deals the previous ownership lumbered us with and b) we haven't yet got the commercial deals in place to back the necessary investment that the personnel, and selling clubs will demand. It's tremendous to think that we're challenging for the Champions League places already but it's questionable whether as a club we are truly ready for it. And the management infrastructure we have in place do not strike me as the type who would sign players to make up the numbers or just for the sake of it. They will identify their targets, go for them and if they don't land them they won't settle for something that comes up short in their minds. I would also add that they way the club has handled the situation with Shelvey oozes class. He's approaching 31 and clearly wasn't going to be offered the length of deal Forest were. Howe seemed clearly at pains that he was moving on but they've allowed it to happen gracefully and with their blessing. Contrast that with how Everton dealt with Anthony Gordon wanting to leave, or even some of our players during the Ashley era. I don't disagree with any of that Craig, including the bit about Shelvey who arguably has been treated better than he deserved for the output we've had from him for large parts of the last 7 years, but I'm delighted to see the club showing respect to former players. My feeling is though that we have a real chance this season to leap forward at a greater speed than anyone expected and it's just a bit disapointing we haven't jumped at that chance, especially when the risks of losing the likes of Bruno and Botman to teams who are playing in the champions league will get greater and greater the longer we aren't able to offer that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6808 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 You're right - there is a risk of that happening, but conversely there's also a risk of us hitting the CL stage before we're ready for it, we crash and burn and they decide to consider looking elsewhere. Very much devil's advocate and to be honest neither scenario truly concerns me. I think the likes of Bruno and Botman have bought into the project and I doubt very much the likes of Ashworth / Howe oversold it to them. They're indoctrinated into the fabric of this club. I can't see them upping sticks and moving on simply because we don't achieve CL within 18 & 12 months respectively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11323 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, David Kelly said: I don't disagree with any of that Craig, including the bit about Shelvey who arguably has been treated better than he deserved for the output we've had from him for large parts of the last 7 years, but I'm delighted to see the club showing respect to former players. My feeling is though that we have a real chance this season to leap forward at a greater speed than anyone expected and it's just a bit disapointing we haven't jumped at that chance, especially when the risks of losing the likes of Bruno and Botman to teams who are playing in the champions league will get greater and greater the longer we aren't able to offer that. Under Howe we've averaged around 2pts a game. That's good enough for 76points a season, which is good enough for 3rd place in 7 of the last 10 seasons. We'll be fine man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23642 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Craig said: I totally get the point you're making DK, but in a bizarre sense I think it's a product of us getting ahead of the plan so to speak. The plan was to be challenging for CL in 3-5 years and here we are a little over 12 months in and we're already there. We're still at the stage where a) we're organically weeding out the dead wood and shitty long-term deals the previous ownership lumbered us with and b) we haven't yet got the commercial deals in place to back the necessary investment that the personnel, and selling clubs will demand. It's tremendous to think that we're challenging for the Champions League places already but it's questionable whether as a club we are truly ready for it. And the management infrastructure we have in place do not strike me as the type who would sign players to make up the numbers or just for the sake of it. They will identify their targets, go for them and if they don't land them they won't settle for something that comes up short in their minds. I would also add that they way the club has handled the situation with Shelvey oozes class. He's approaching 31 and clearly wasn't going to be offered the length of deal Forest offered. Howe seemed clearly at pains that he was moving on but they've allowed it to happen gracefully and with their blessing. Contrast that with how Everton dealt with Anthony Gordon wanting to leave, or even some of our players during the Ashley era. i agree it's a process, we're well ahead of schedule and slightly hamstrung by FFP - and we can't get rid of all the shite from the ashley era overnight. i've even heard some people argue on podcasts that qualifying for the CL could come too soon, that we might struggle in the competition if we're still stuck with loads of shite in the squad that we can't shift. not sure i fully agree with that line. i see finishing top 4 well ahead of schedule this season as more of an opportunity to turbo charge our transformation - and our spending. nobody expected it to happen this quickly but that also presents an unbelievable opportunity. i don't think the club were wrong to let shelvey go, but i hope we don't regret not replacing him. the midfield engine room does look quite thin now. ideally we will always get our top targets for the price we want to pay, and i don't mind them sticking to their guns, but it would be such a shame if we fall short because of injuries to midfielders, when a loan signing might have helped us get over the line. Edited February 1, 2023 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10356 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Finishing in the top 4 is fantastic in every scenario. The money generated from just participating will outweigh wages paid to players who are deemed surplus to requirements. It will also create a significant leverage in attracting new players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23642 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 the window only just shut man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6808 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 The other point is that Eddie said in a recent interview that he doesn't want to go nuts in the transfer windows - add 1 or 2 maybe in each window to refresh things but also to build on the stability that's been created. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10356 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Sportbild is a German rag. As reliable as asking CT for decent recipes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 11370 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: the window only just shut man Laughable, never happen, he'll get £300k a week somewhere and that somewhere won't be here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 10 hours ago, The Fish said: Look at how we pursued Botman. We could have paid the extra money for him in January, but he wasn't convinced yet, the selling club dug their heels in and it turned out that we didn't need him. Fast Forward 6 months and we sign him for a fair price, the selling club are happy enough because they've had time to sort out a replacement, he's happy because he's had more time to be wooed/say his goodbyes/larn yesel Geordie and all that. This Franca kid, we 100% could have paid the £25m they were apparently asking for, but maybe he needs a little more convincing, the selling club have dug their heels in and that number 8 position is somewhere we're fairly well stocked right now. I also think the less we act like the richest club on the planet, the better business we'll get done. Can't imagine Newcastle spunking half a billion quid in a panic, disrupting the market place and fucking themselves in FFP terms. I honestly think the target for this season would have been pushing for Europe, a target that barring a catastrophe we should comfortably achieve. . Agree with this. It’s a risk but our owners see it as a measured risk to get us to our long term aims. We are establishing ourselves as hard negotiators who pay a fair price but won’t be taken to the cleaners, or panic. We did this in the most uncomfortable position imaginable 12 months ago when we refused to give in to demands for Botman, or Carlos, and it’s worked out for us. We now have that to fall back on in negotiations as proof us walking away isn’t a bluff, players know it (see Gordon quotes regarding not wanting to miss his chance) and clubs are learning. Contrast that to Chelsea who are a complete fucking laughing stock, tried to play hardball with Benfica and have ended up paying exactly what Benfica demanded. While Chelsea are an extreme I think Manchester United are another example who get their eyes ripped out on basically every deal because they’ve established themselves as a soft touch who will overpay/panic (I think Ajax wanted 80m for Anthony earlier in the window which Man Utd walked away from before coming back and paying 20m more). It makes me nervous and I really wanted us to sign a CM, but I trust the owners plan and Howe to get us to where we need to be. It could mean we miss CL this season, but the upside if we manage to get it this season is fucking huge as Isegrim points out. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 3053 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 31/01/2023 at 15:17, ewerk said: Keylor Navas to Forest. Good signing for them. No wonder they passed on Darlow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22901 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Apart from the mackem 6 finger sister shagging peados. It's refreshing to see everyone isnt kicking off over us singing a Shelvey replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4269 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Apart from the mackem 6 finger sister shagging peados. It's refreshing to see everyone isnt kicking off over us singing a Shelvey replacement. If you start us off with the tune we’ll join in on the chorus 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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