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8 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

This is normal. :lol: Anyone remember the Shepherd regime dropping a bollock with Lua Lua so he scored a last minute equaliser against us while on loan at Portsmouth? 


🙋🏻‍♂️ I was there :lol:

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It’s also worth remembering that this 95% figure is for the 21/22 season. So we were only paying wages for the likes of Trippier, Bruno et al. for half that season. Since then we’ve signed Pope, Isak and Botman so chances are that our wages are currently above 100% of revenue.


I can’t imagine the NOON sponsorship appears on those books and that’s worth more than Fun88 so it may not be so bad.

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47 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

As said, it needs signing off by the EPL so that will stop the ridiculous type deals City have.  But will certainly have us on better footings.

 

Thing is, getting a deal signed off by the Premier League just means that we have to persuade them it's a fair market value. Lets say we get into the Champions League, what's a fair market value for sponsoring the shirt of a Premier League team in the CL? Add to that the value of association with a club with apparently boundless ambition (and the resources to achieve that). 

 

This season the 'top 6' have between £40-£67m deals. It would make sense to get at least £30m, which would be a 500% increase.

 

Then include the commercial partnerships that will surely follow. 

 

16 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:


“Newcastle, due to Ashley’s canny ownership, have lots of FFP wriggle room”

 

Football media clowns, October/November 2021 

 

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We did, couldn't have signed >£200m worth of talent without it. 

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It looks as if Saudia will definitely have heavy involvement given the WC breaks events and the recent ticket competition etc

 

Throw a few ARAMCO logos around the stadium and we’ll be in some serious dollar.

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8 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Thing is, getting a deal signed off by the Premier League just means that we have to persuade them it's a fair market value. Lets say we get into the Champions League, what's a fair market value for sponsoring the shirt of a Premier League team in the CL? Add to that the value of association with a club with apparently boundless ambition (and the resources to achieve that). 

 

This season the 'top 6' have between £40-£67m deals. It would make sense to get at least £30m, which would be a 500% increase.

 

Then include the commercial partnerships that will surely follow. 

 

 

 

We did, couldn't have signed >£200m worth of talent without it. 


Ok, why is the wages/income equation now a problem then if the problem was there pre takeover? Or has spunking 200mill of presumably funds that the football club has largely earned itself completely skewed it/brought it to the fore? 

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Just now, PaddockLad said:


Ok, why is the wages/income equation now a problem then if the problem was there pre Ashley? Or has spunking 200mill of presumably funds that the football club has largely earned itself completely skewed it/brought it to the fore? 

 

The latter. We've spent a lot of money in the last year, not just on fees but wages too. And nobody has gone out the door for any fee, and the wages we've lost haven't been massive (Muto, Atsu, Fernandez).

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10 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:


Ok, why is the wages/income equation now a problem then if the problem was there pre takeover? Or has spunking 200mill of presumably funds that the football club has largely earned itself completely skewed it/brought it to the fore? 

I think you’re both right, ie we had sone wriggle room initially because of his frugality. But the lack of revenue streams / lack of sponsorship / shitty sponsorship deals that were struck / outsourcing of catering etc etc means we’ve now reached a point where wages are close to exceeding revenue. I think at worst it just slows us down, the ‘market value’ stipulations probably won’t stand up in any court and the amount of daft deals / partnerships other clubs have in place allows for getting around that anyway. But we know we’re under more scrutiny than almost anyone else atm so we’re trying to stay within the rules as much as we can 

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Just now, The Fish said:

 

The latter. We've spent a lot of money in the last year, not just on fees but wages too. And nobody has gone out the door for any fee, and the wages we've lost haven't been massive (Muto, Atsu, Fernandez).


Am a bit surprised that there was 200 mill lying around from Ashley’s reign to spend tbh. All income streams were alleged to have nosedived. 
 

We’re allowed to spend 90% of all income on all transfer expenses this season, 80% next season and 70% the season after. The Chelsea transfer last week may not be the first structured like that but you’d imagine it’d likely to the norm going forward for high fee transfer deals 

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3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:


Am a bit surprised that there was 200 mill lying around from Ashley’s reign to spend tbh. All income streams were alleged to have nosedived. 
 

We’re allowed to spend 90% of all income on all transfer expenses this season, 80% next season and 70% the season after. The Chelsea transfer last week may not be the first structured like that but you’d imagine it’d likely to the norm going forward for high fee transfer deals 

 

It is the norm already, fee divided by years of contract is what hits FFP, wages are a hit as they happen.

 

You spread the cost of a player over say 5 years but if you sell him before that whatever you get is a credit for FFP as a lump when it happens.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Toonpack said:

 

It is the norm already, fee divided by years of contract is what hits FFP, wages are a hit as they happen.

 

You spread the cost of a player over say 5 years but if you sell him before that whatever you get is a credit for FFP as a lump when it happens.

 

 

The players we can get rid of will be for nothing and we'll still be paying them. 

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1 minute ago, Toonpack said:

 

It is the norm already, fee divided by years of contract is what hits FFP, wages are a hit as they happen.

 

You spread the cost of a player over say 5 years but if you sell him before that whatever you get is a credit for FFP as a lump when it happens.

 

 


That’s up to nearly a decade now with the Mudryk deal though..

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Just now, PaddockLad said:


Am a bit surprised that there was 200 mill lying around from Ashley’s reign to spend tbh. All income streams were alleged to have nosedived. 
 

We’re allowed to spend 90% of all income on all transfer expenses this season, 80% next season and 70% the season after. The Chelsea transfer last week may not be the first structured like that but you’d imagine it’d likely to the norm going forward for high fee transfer deals 

It's not that we had £200m in the bank, just that we're allowed to make a loss over a 3yr period. If Ashley hadn't been so tight, we'd not have had as much wriggle room. Kind of like a time limited overdraft? I guess. 

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Just now, PaddockLad said:


That’s up to nearly a decade now with the Mudryk deal though..

 

Yeah so:

 

Cost 100 Mill on 8 year deal he only costs 12.5 Mill towards FFP (plus his wages for the year)

 

Sell him in 5 years that FFP number could come down if the fee they get is more than whats left to be accounted for.

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