Transfers, 2024-25 season

[wykikitoon 22601]

I criticised the extending of Dummett's contract only to be told on here, something along the lines of 'I trust Howe and his team over some Pearson, Casey wannabe's'.  Obviously I am paraphrasing. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by wykikitoon

[Dr Gloom 23420]

7 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

I criticised the extending of Dummett's contract only to be told on here, something along the lines of 'I trust Howe and his team over some Pearson, Casey wannabe's'.  Obviously I am paraphrasing. 

there were a few of us underwhelmed by Dummet and Longstaff getting new deals. Felt like there was an element of keeping them on because they’re local lads and good for the dressing room. I was hoping for an upgrade on Longstaff and would put Dummet behind Targett, Lewis, Manquillo and possibly even Burn at left back these days 

[Alex 36587]

Longstaff showed some great early promise though and he’s still young so that makes a different case for him. So while I tend to agree you can see the logic behind it more in his case. 

[Dr Gloom 23420]

35 minutes ago, Alex said:

Longstaff showed some great early promise though and he’s still young so that makes a different case for him. So while I tend to agree you can see the logic behind it more in his case. 

agreed with Longstaff. You have to trust Howe if he sees potential he can work with given how he’s improved other players. And Longstaff did look good when he first broke through under Rafa so hopefully it’s just a case of him being Bruced in the short term and he can turn it around.   

Edited July 26, 2022 by Dr Gloom

[Ayatollah Hermione 14568]

Apparently Dummett is an excellent presence around the place and is really good with the younger players. Can almost see Howe valuing that above all else, especially if someone like Ritchie leaves, who filled a similar role himself 

[wykikitoon 22601]

Aye and I doubt he is on a massive wage.  

[Dr Gloom 23420]

20k a week and as many regal kingsize as “Cig” Longstaff can smoke 

[wykikitoon 22601]

Ciggy pre-season has looked decent. 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sean-longstaff-i-broke-down-in-front-of-my-dad-everything-crashed-down-on-me-in-that-moment-rdjwqsq2j

Could be a good season for him.

[Alex 36587]

35 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

agreed with Longstaff. You have to trust Howe if he sees potential he can work with given how he’s improved other players. And Longstaff did look good when he first broke through under Rafa so hopefully it’s just a case of him being Bruced in the short term and he can turn it around.   

I saw a talk in with Lee Clark what seems like ages ago now but it was before Sean Longstaff had properly broken into the first team under Benitez and he was absolutely raving about him. Saying he had the ability to be a real top class midfielder. Obviously that’s just one person’s view of a young player but you have to think (especially after what’s come out since) that he had a pretty torrid time under Bruce. Did that cunt improve a single player? He was completely incapable of doing what most decent managers take pride in. 

[The Fish 11312]

16 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Fraser's attitude pre Howe was appalling. As tbf a lot of the player were.  He like a lot of players have responded to Howe.  ASM hasnt.  Technically ASM is miles ahead.  But in terms of work rate and working for the team it's not even comparable,

 

ASM has also played a lot more football and yet only has 3 more goals and 3 more asists than Fraser.  Wow, I am shocked Real or PSG aren't lining up for him.  He's one trick pony that clubs have quickly found out how to play against.  Yet he's deluded and thinks he's gonna take over from Ronaldo, Messi etc.

 

ASM created more chances than anyone else outside the top 6 clubs. No, he doesn't do as much defensive work as Fraser but Beresford had to pick up the slack for Ginola, Bernard for Robert, and whomever for HBA. You have to come to terms with the fact that for a club like us, you can't have someone with the attacking ability of those players, without someone doing their defensive work for them. You don't demand Target beat 3 men and curl one in the bottom corner, do you? You want him to be solid, and defensively sound, right? 

 

If he was the complete player, he wouldn't be here.  

[Dr Gloom 23420]

10 minutes ago, Alex said:

I saw a talk in with Lee Clark what seems like ages ago now but it was before Sean Longstaff had properly broken into the first team under Benitez and he was absolutely raving about him. Saying he had the ability to be a real top class midfielder. Obviously that’s just one person’s view of a young player but you have to think (especially after what’s come out since) that he had a pretty torrid time under Bruce. Did that cunt improve a single player? He was completely incapable of doing what most decent managers take pride in. 

ASM maybe? He looked more dangerous under Bruce, mainly because the rest of the side was camped on the edge of our own box and the game plan was pretty much: give them ball to Maxi

[RobinRobin 12374]

Didn't improve him, just made the others much worse.

[wykikitoon 22601]

15 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

ASM created more chances than anyone else outside the top 6 clubs. No, he doesn't do as much defensive work as Fraser but Beresford had to pick up the slack for Ginola, Bernard for Robert, and whomever for HBA. You have to come to terms with the fact that for a club like us, you can't have someone with the attacking ability of those players, without someone doing their defensive work for them. You don't demand Target beat 3 men and curl one in the bottom corner, do you? You want him to be solid, and defensively sound, right? 

 

If he was the complete player, he wouldn't be here.  

 

The problem is, ASM doesn't beat 3 men and curl one in the bottom corner enough.  He goes into a blind alley, loses the ball and puts the threat back onto us.  

[Polarboy 2317]

It would be annoying if ASM did end up at somewhere like Spurs and play much better for them than he ever did for us, thus following the Ginola path. Of all our French wingers Robert had the most end product. The rest have generally flattered to deceive, albeit while  scoring a few unbelievable goals. 

[wykikitoon 22601]

3 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

It would be annoying if ASM did end up at somewhere like Spurs and play much better for them than he ever did for us, thus following the Ginola path. Of all our French wingers Robert had the most end product. The rest have generally flattered to deceive, albeit while  scoring a few unbelievable goals. 

If he isn't going to graft for Howe, he wont last long with Conte.

[Polarboy 2317]

5 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

If he isn't going to graft for Howe, he wont last long with Conte.

 

Probably, but on the other hand he might at least for a season follow Conte's instruction because of peer pressure from team mates, and seeing Conte as a bigger name than Howe. He'd likely revert to past bad habits after a while though. Hopefully if he stays he proves me wrong this season, and Howe gets a tune out of him. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Polarboy

[wykikitoon 22601]

Aye, we shall see.  IMO He is with us for one season at least.  It's up to him tbh.

[The Fish 11312]

15 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

The problem is, ASM doesn't beat 3 men and curl one in the bottom corner enough.  He goes into a blind alley, loses the ball and puts the threat back onto us.  

No, because if he did, he'd be Messi and not playing for a midtable PL side. 

 

Come on man Wykiki, this is daft. ASM is a phenomenally talented attacking player, he's been mint for us and leads the league (outside the top 6) for chances created. ASM has dribbled past more players (150) than anyone else in the league, the next closest is Dwight McNeil (82). He's 8th for progressive carries, 4th for carries into the final 3rd, 5th for carries into the penalty area, 8th for fouls drawn.

 

Of all the positions in the squad, his should not be the one we're looking for replacements just yet. Almiron, Fernandez, Fraser, Lascelles, Longstaff, Murphy, Schar, Shelvey, Willock, Wood. All of them are less effective in their positions than ASM and more easily improved upon.

[Polarboy 2317]

Newcastle and Leicester race to sign Ludovic Ajorque - sources (footballinsider247.com)

 

Football Insider sauces  say we're interested in some giant centre forward off Strasbourg. He's 28 and is an out and out number 9, so he doesn't seem to fit the profile, then again Howe did say he was flexible depending on who was available. In any case he has impressive numbers this past two season for a mid to low level team in Ligue 1. 

[Alex 36587]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

ASM maybe? He looked more dangerous under Bruce, mainly because the rest of the side was camped on the edge of our own box and the game plan was pretty much: give them ball to Maxi

Improve him though? I don’t think you could say he progressed under him. He seemed to have a good relationship with Bruce and he performed for him, which is obviously a positive for which some credit is due to the manager. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Alex

[Rayvin 5900]

Bruce accidentally did a slightly better than entirely subpar job with ASM.

 

That's about as much credit as I've got for him.

[ewerk 32940]

"Al, you get the ball and do whatever you want with it" was about the extent of Bruce's coaching of ASM and is exactly what the player wanted to hear.

[wykikitoon 22601]

 

 

 

[Alex 36587]

 

20 minutes ago, ewerk said:

"Al, you get the ball and do whatever you want with it" was about the extent of Bruce's coaching of ASM and is exactly what the player wanted to hear.

 

22 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Bruce accidentally did a slightly better than entirely subpar job with ASM.

 

That's about as much credit as I've got for him.

Basically him and Wilson were his get out of jail free cards. I’m not really giving him much in the way of credit for that. 

[Polarboy 2317]

7 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

 

 

 

Seems like it would probably be a loan if there's any truth to that, and despite his profligacy for Chelsea there is a player in there somewhere, and his versatility across the front three is something we are looking for. I wouldn't want us to spend decent money on buying him, but a loan would be a very low risk way of seeing if a change of scenery would help in regards to his form.