Transfers, 2024-25 season

[strawb 4614]

8 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

 

Because we supposedly have 50m left, ASM has been quoted at around 40m, and getting Broja on loan and buying the other two would cost roughly 90m. 

Says who? 

[wykikitoon 22600]

Let's be honest. Nobody outside the club know how much we have left.

[strawb 4614]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

Let's be honest. Nobody outside the club know how much we have left.

Bingo

[Polarboy 2317]

1 minute ago, strawb said:

Says who? 

 

Says who what? That we have 50m left, that ASM is supposedly worth 40m, or that the other two would cost roughly 90m.

[strawb 4614]

Just now, Polarboy said:

 

Says who what? That we have 50m left, that ASM is supposedly worth 40m, or that the other two would cost roughly 90m.

All of it

[Alex 36587]

2 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Let's be honest. Nobody outside the club know how much we have left.

Absolutely. All I meant was some of the more miserable journalists saying we’ve only got X amount because of FFP don’t seem to have even a basic grasp of it. 

[Dr Gloom 23419]

We all know how much money we have left to spend. The chicken nonce told us 

[wykikitoon 22600]

6 minutes ago, Alex said:

Absolutely. All I meant was some of the more miserable journalists saying we’ve only got X amount because of FFP don’t seem to have even a basic grasp of it. 

I do think around £50m is what they want us to spend.  That would take the spending since they took us over around £200m.  Which is a huge amount compared to what we are used to.  

[Polarboy 2317]

Just now, strawb said:

All of it

 

Players estimated prices are available to see on sites like transfermarkt which uses algorithms to calculate player prices . They aren't always accurate but more often than not are pretty close. And the prices for Paqueta and Diaby have been mentioned numerous times in the papers and online. The Diaby one is presumably more reliable than the Paqueta one, where it was said his asking price had been lowered from 60 odd million to 34m, given that we've been linked to Diaby for so long surely at least one decent journalist has gotten a quote from Leverkusen on his price. I could only work with the numbers that I've seen and use them even if they are only a rough guide. It should also be pointed out that clubs sometimes use the media to do their negotiations by leaking figures every now and again. So not everything is made up bullshit. In any case the main point I was making was that I'd be more than fine with sacrificing ASM if it meant we had the capital needed to get the other three. And I would also agree that nobody outside the club really knows either how much we have to spend or just how much we are willing to spend, but again I was just using the oft mentioned 50m as a rough guide. 

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

says who? You got a source at the club or something? 

No. But I read the tweets by every NE football journo, who are all consistent with the claims that we are looking at 2 positions (CF, RW) and have roughly £30mil left to spend.

 

The same journo's that report we've been priced out of Diaby and he doesn't want to come anyway. So fantasy lists of Diaby AND Paqueta are pie in the sky atm

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

24 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

 

Shelvey's contract is going to reup after his next three starts so he can be sold. By all accounts Paqueta is leagues ahead of him in talent and is also six years his junior. Apart from Willock we don't have a specialist attacking mid, although Bruno can play that position because he's just that good. And I didn't say we should play Paqueta out of position, if we were to ever buy him, I was merely pointing out that he can also play on the right wing, and as a second striker for that matter. 

This isn't a computer game though. Just saying Shelvey can be sold doesn't mean anyone wants him or is willing to pay the wages he is on here ...

[Polarboy 2317]

Howe has also been quoted as saying that we made need to be flexible depending on who's actually available in the market. 

 

Howe - "I think you have to be adaptable. If we can't find the right player I might have to look at other positions. Certainly, we are looking at one or two players that could make the difference."

[Dr Gloom 23419]

3 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

No. But I read the tweets by every NE football journo, who are all consistent with the claims that we are looking at 2 positions (CF, RW) and have roughly £30mil left to spend.

 

The same journo's that report we've been priced out of Diaby and he doesn't want to come anyway. So fantasy lists of Diaby AND Paqueta are pie in the sky atm

Aye, so do I.

 

Ben Jacobs reckons we could go in for Paqueta. And Howe said something himself last week about strengthening other areas of the squad if the right player becomes available and we don’t get the players we want in those two positions. 
 

Tbh, I reckon I have about as much of a clue as you, or anyone else, as to who we will end up. Not much of one, in other words. No one saw Bruno coming last window. It came out of nowhere. Until then, just enjoy the fantasy football chat. 

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

31 minutes ago, Alex said:

Not saying it’s a likely scenario but if you did sell ASM for £50m (just plucked that number out my arse btw) then you get the benefit of all that cash this year (in terms of FFP) but anyone coming in has their fee / wages spread across the duration of their contract. So it could be seen as a way to increase our ability to spend this year. Pure speculation re:plans to sell him but I would think we’ve got a lot more than £30m to spend. I’m going off the Football Rambler, who I assume is a bit more clued up than Luke Edwards on that score. In his blog he quoted some ridiculous figure we could spend and still not fall foul of FFP, because of the frugal years under Ashley. Obviously that would impact subsequent seasons but it suggests a fair bit of wriggle room if the right player is available and wanting to come 

Im not talking about FFP btw. Im taking about the figure a number of different journalists have been briefed on (apart from Edwards).

 

I imagine the club have a longitudinal plan for multiple transfer windows, taking into account ages and contract lengths of the current squad. I'm sure we CAN spend an extra £100mil this window if we need to, but given we have no squad places free atm, and are well stocked in CM, I think it's highly unlikely that we are going to bring another expensive one in

Edited July 24, 2022 by Kid Dynamite

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Aye, so do I.

 

Ben Jacobs reckons we could go in for Paqueta. And Howe said something himself last week about strengthening other areas of the squad if the right player becomes available and we don’t get the players we want in those two positions. 
 

Tbh, I reckon I have about as much of a clue as you, or anyone else, as to who we will end up. Not much of one, in other words. No one saw Bruno coming last window. It came out of nowhere. Until then, just enjoy the fantasy football chat. 

Ben Jacobs is one rung up from Sean Casey tbf  

[Polarboy 2317]

Just now, Kid Dynamite said:

This isn't a computer game though. Just saying Shelvey can be sold doesn't mean anyone wants him or is willing to pay the wages he is on here ...

 

Again it's not me who's having trouble with making the distinction between reality and fantasy. The context of the conversation is best case scenario in my eyes. In reality his wages likely would be a problem, but with his contract reupping in three games it would be best to move him on now to make room in the squad if we were to bring in another centre mid, if that were possible. It's likely only going to get more expensive to move him on the longer we wait. 

[Dr Gloom 23419]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Ben Jacobs is one rung up from Sean Casey tbf  

he was on to the takeover story quite early

 

edit - and clearly he has reliable sources, unlike Casey who is a bullshit artist.

 

Not saying he’s right on this. But I wouldn’t confidently declare that any player isn’t coming. Because I haven’t got a clue. And neither do you 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Dr Gloom

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

Just now, Polarboy said:

 

Again it's not me who's having trouble with making the distinction between reality and fantasy. The context of the conversation is best case scenario in my eyes. In reality his wages likely would be a problem, but with his contract reupping in three games it would be best to move him on now to make room in the squad if we were to bring in another centre mid, if that were possible. It's likely only going to get more expensive to move him on the longer we wait. 

Or given he's playing well atm, is looking motivated and doesn't mind being a squad player, let's keep him!

[Alex 36587]

6 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Im not talking about FFP btw. Im taking about the figure a number of different journalists have been briefed on (apart from Edwards).

 

I imagine the club have a longitudinal plan for multiple transfer windows, taking into account ages and contract lengths of the current squad. I'm sure we CAN spend an extra £100mil this window if we need to, but given we have no squad places free atm, and are well stocked in CM, I think it's highly

unlikely that we are going to bring another expensive one in

Fair enough. But they could be being briefed what the club wants them to think. Clubs don’t have much of a vested interest in telling the truth on this. I do think you and wyki are probably correct in that the club has a figure in mind they would ideally like to spend though in that £30-50m range. I mention the FFP aspect because that gives us that flexibility I was on about if Paqueta (or a player of that ilk) becomes a possibility

late in the window 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Alex

[Polarboy 2317]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Or given he's playing well atm, is looking motivated and doesn't mind being a squad player, let's keep him!

 

You're the one saying that we'd need to get rid of one of our mids to fit another one in, so who would you get rid of?, or are you seriously suggesting that a full Brazil international is inferior to any of our mids apart from Bruno?

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

Just now, Polarboy said:

 

You're the one saying that we'd need to get rid of one of our mids to fit another one in, so who would you get rid of?, or are you seriously suggesting that a full Brazil international is inferior to any of our mids apart from Bruno?

I didn't say that  

[Polarboy 2317]

1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Paqueta isn't happening.

Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again.
 

We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager 

 

[Kid Dynamite 7566]

I'm sure this is getting boring for everyone else now, but nowhere in there did I say we need to sell a midfielder. I said we aren't buying Paqueta because we have plenty already 

[Polarboy 2317]

And no I don't really think  that you believe that our mids apart from Bruno are comparable to Paqueta, it was a rhetorical device given your mind boggling love of Shelvey when speaking of someone like Paqueta. 

[Polarboy 2317]

5 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I'm sure this is getting boring for everyone else now, but nowhere in there did I say we need to sell a midfielder. I said we aren't buying Paqueta because we have plenty already 

 

😂 If you say that were are already well stocked in midfield when we are talking of buying a new midfielder, then what other implication can be drawn?

Edited July 24, 2022 by Polarboy