Polarboy 2317 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) If I could wave a magic wand I'd sell ASM, get Broja on loan, and buy Paqueta and Diaby. Paqueta and Diaby would cost around 90m so the club would likely want/need, who knows with how much we can or want to spend because of FFP, tired talking about it, to move for both Paqueta and Diaby. Diaby can play left or right pretty interchangeably, Paqueta can play on the right as well as centre and attacking mid, Broja can play wide right as well a centre forward, and we have Fraser who's decent on the left, in his favoured position, as he showed when ASM was injured last season. In my opinion he's not as effective on the right. Those three moves would leave us with a lot of flexibility in attack. Edited July 24, 2022 by Polarboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, Polarboy said: If I could wave a magic wand I'd sell ASM, get Broja on loan, and buy Paqueta and Diaby. Paqueta and Diaby would cost around 90m so the club would likely want/need, who knows with how much we can or want to spend because of FFP, tired talking about it, to move for both Paqueta and Diaby. Diaby can play left or right pretty interchangeably, Paqueta can play on the right as well as centre and attacking mid, Broja can play wide right as well a centre forward, and we have Fraser who's decent on the left, in his favoured position, as he showed when ASM was injured last season. In my opinion he's not as effective on the right. Those three moves would leave us with a lot of flexibility in attack. Diaby and Paqueta would be dreamland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4614 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 We would still be short a right winger though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22600 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I understand why the club are keeping their powder dry with FFP. It's nice to see a club be thoughtful and do things methodically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, strawb said: We would still be short a right winger though? Diaby can play right wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Then take your pick from Brojan, Fraser, Almiron even Paqueta as back up, were Polarboy’s scenario to happen. That would be an unbelievable window tbf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14051 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4614 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Diaby can play right wing Then we are short a left winger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Assuming we did sell ASM, loan Broja and buy Paqueta and Diaby; Fraser, Joelinton, Diaby, and Almiron can play on the left. And Fraser, Diaby, Almiron, Broja and Paqueta can play on the right. We'd have plenty of options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Pass the baby lotion basically in that eventuality. Realistically, we may struggle to sign Paqueta and Diaby. I think the latter wants champions league and he had that at Leverkusen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4614 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 We currently have 1 good premier league level winger. Your preference is to sell him, replace him with another winger and then play other people out of position on the other side? Seems sensible, but I would rather buy a winger to play the other side so we have 2 decent wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22600 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I think the suggestion is, if we are limited by FFP is get rid of a player and use that money to strengthen two area's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, strawb said: We currently have 1 good premier league level winger. Your preference is to sell him, replace him with another winger and then play other people out of position on the other side? Seems sensible, but I would rather buy a winger to play the other side so we have 2 decent wingers. ASM is frustrating as fuck. Potentially a top player but so inconsistent. Would you be sad to see him go if we end up with Paqueta, Diaby and Broja? I wouldn’t 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7566 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Paqueta isn't happening. Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again. We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4614 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 He may be frustrating but was our second top scorer and top assist maker last season (I think, happy to be proved wrong). I would like to keep him, get someone on the other side who can do similar and see how he gets on when he isn’t being doubled up on every game. Replacing him with those 3 I probably wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but that’s all pie in the sky at the moment isn’t it? Especially as the whole conversation started with Polarboy waving a magic wand. If we are limited by FFP how is selling one player to buy three going to help? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7566 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Polarboy said: Assuming we did sell ASM, loan Broja and buy Paqueta and Diaby; Fraser, Joelinton, Diaby, and Almiron can play on the left. And Fraser, Diaby, Almiron, Broja and Paqueta can play on the right. We'd have plenty of options You're in fantasy land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, strawb said: He may be frustrating but was our second top scorer and top assist maker last season (I think, happy to be proved wrong). I would like to keep him, get someone on the other side who can do similar and see how he gets on when he isn’t being doubled up on every game. Replacing him with those 3 I probably wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but that’s all pie in the sky at the moment isn’t it? Especially as the whole conversation started with Polarboy waving a magic wand. If we are limited by FFP how is selling one player to buy three going to help? it is all football manager chat - I’m just happy to be having these conversations again. It’s good craic. I’d keep ASM too fwiw. Give him a final season to see if he can sort his shit out. But I wouldn’t be gutted if we sold him for say £50m if it gave us more firepower under the PL’s profit and sustainability rules to get our main targets in (your guess is as good as mine as to whether we’re genuinely in with a chance of getting the players we’ve been linked with) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, strawb said: We currently have 1 good premier league level winger. Your preference is to sell him, replace him with another winger and then play other people out of position on the other side? Seems sensible, but I would rather buy a winger to play the other side so we have 2 decent wingers. As people have said it's not a case of wanting to sell ASM, but if selling was the only way to get the other two I'd still think we'd be much stronger overall. And you may not think Fraser is premier league quality but I think he showed a fair bit of quality on the left for us when ASM was injured, and that's where the vast majority of his attacking returns have come for us. Indeed in his double figure in goals and assists season for Bournemouth he was played on the left. With a preseason under his belt from Howe he could offer much more than he's shown when being moved about position. Fraser on the left and Diaby on the right, and with all the other combinations I've mentioned wouldn't leave us stuck for people out wide. We would still need to reinforce the left at some point, but again we'd have significantly improved the midfield and attack with those players despite having to sacrifice ASM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Paqueta isn't happening. alright Sean 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: You're in fantasy land You're going to need to be more specific in your top quality critique of my comment. And I literally said if I had a magic wand that is what I would do. I didn't say it was likely. Edited July 24, 2022 by Polarboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23419 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Paqueta isn't happening. says who? You got a source at the club or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, strawb said: He may be frustrating but was our second top scorer and top assist maker last season (I think, happy to be proved wrong). I would like to keep him, get someone on the other side who can do similar and see how he gets on when he isn’t being doubled up on every game. Replacing him with those 3 I probably wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but that’s all pie in the sky at the moment isn’t it? Especially as the whole conversation started with Polarboy waving a magic wand. If we are limited by FFP how is selling one player to buy three going to help? Because we supposedly have 50m left, ASM has been quoted at around 40m, and getting Broja on loan and buying the other two would cost roughly 90m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36587 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Paqueta isn't happening. Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again. We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager Not saying it’s a likely scenario but if you did sell ASM for £50m (just plucked that number out my arse btw) then you get the benefit of all that cash this year (in terms of FFP) but anyone coming in has their fee / wages spread across the duration of their contract. So it could be seen as a way to increase our ability to spend this year. Pure speculation re:plans to sell him but I would think we’ve got a lot more than £30m to spend. I’m going off the Football Rambler, who I assume is a bit more clued up than Luke Edwards on that score. In his blog he quoted some ridiculous figure we could spend and still not fall foul of FFP, because of the frugal years under Ashley. Obviously that would impact subsequent seasons but it suggests a fair bit of wriggle room if the right player is available and wanting to come Edited July 24, 2022 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Paqueta isn't happening. Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again. We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager Shelvey's contract is going to reup after his next three starts so he can be sold. By all accounts Paqueta is leagues ahead of him in talent and is also six years his junior. Apart from Willock we don't have a specialist attacking mid, although Bruno can play that position because he's just that good. And I didn't say we should play Paqueta out of position, if we were to ever buy him, I was merely pointing out that he can also play on the right wing, and as a second striker for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22600 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 ASM IMO Didn't improve one bit under Howe I would go as far as saying he regressed. What the reasons for that I don't know. Some suggested last season he was tired and warn out. IMO it's because his big teddy bear Brewcie fucked off and someone came in and said you do things by his rules or fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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