Transfers, 2024-25 season

[wykikitoon 23351]

44 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I know it's said tongue in cheek, but I don't think it's bedwetting to critique our transfer policy. It doesn't mean you aren't happy with the owners or that you want Ashley back. I'm not sure it's healthy to put the club on such a pedestal that everyone connected is infallible and can't be questioned about anything. 

 

We had a cracking 2nd half to last season and a great transfer window. Burn, Trippier and Targett massively improved the defence. Bruno and Joelinton massively improved the midfield. The clear deficit in the squad was with the front 3. Wilson is injury prone. Wood is hopeless and Murphy/Almiron/ASM/Fraser provide little in the way of goals or assists.

 

2 1/2 weeks away from the start of the new season and we've added a CB and a GK to last seasons squad. We seem to have wasted a lot of time looking at Diaby, Nunez, Isak etc. just hoping their clubs will half their asking prices. Time to start looking at at people we can afford...

Totally agree with this.  However since ashworth has come in the news out of the club has certainly been limited and it's gone to CN basically becoming an ITK.  So with regards to us wasting time on certain players unless we hear that from the club then I wouldn't assume we just had them in our sights.

[The Fish 11349]

40 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I know it's said tongue in cheek, but I don't think it's bedwetting to critique our transfer policy. It doesn't mean you aren't happy with the owners or that you want Ashley back. I'm not sure it's healthy to put the club on such a pedestal that everyone connected is infallible and can't be questioned about anything. 

 

We had a cracking 2nd half to last season and a great transfer window. Burn, Trippier and Targett massively improved the defence. Bruno and Joelinton massively improved the midfield. The clear deficit in the squad was with the front 3. Wilson is injury prone. Wood is hopeless and Murphy/Almiron/ASM/Fraser provide little in the way of goals or assists.

 

2 1/2 weeks away from the start of the new season and we've added a CB and a GK to last seasons squad. We seem to have wasted a lot of time looking at Diaby, Nunez, Isak etc. just hoping their clubs will half their asking prices. Time to start looking at at people we can afford...

Absolutely we should criticise their mistakes and missteps, but with 6 weeks left in the window, it'd be too harsh to judge this window negatively. Especially as we've signed a good left back, an upgrade on our first choice 'keeper and one of the most exciting young CBs in Europe. 

 

There will be a little naivety, e.g. Ekitike He wasn't massively keen on the move in January, plus Reims didn't want to sell. I don't think I would have spent as much time trying to agree terms with him, I'd probably have called off the pursuit earlier. I think Ashworth and now Eales will provide better guidance because of their experience. 

 

There's 6 weeks to go, plenty of time to bring in someone we've been linked with, but also available capital to take advantage of the carnage that tends to happen at the end of the window. 

 

I fully expect us to sign 2 players who ply their trade at the business end of the pitch. It might be a winger and an attacking midfielder, or it might be a striker and another. Either way I can't imagine we're done, not by a long stretch.

[Dr Gloom 23967]

we don't want to get taken for mugs, but the difficulty with leaving it too late is you might end up paying more because the selling clubs know you're desperate. not an easy balancing act to get right. agree with fish that we will get two more signings in. whether they're the players we really want, or we overpay remains to be seen. 

[The Fish 11349]

44 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

we don't want to get taken for mugs, but the difficulty with leaving it too late is you might end up paying more because the selling clubs know you're desperate. not an easy balancing act to get right. agree with fish that we will get two more signings in. whether they're the players we really want, or we overpay remains to be seen. 

We'll probably overpay but, if the striker is 'worth' £40m to the market as a whole, and we end up paying £60m, that's fine. It's not like we're paying £6m for Riviere when he's worth 60p, the £40m winger will likely be much better than whatever we've got, right?

[Craig 6997]

The reality is we're unlikely to know, and neither are the hacks, about what is truly going on behind the scenes. I imagine they're playing their cards very close to their chest - Targett and Botman were names socialised given one was on loan for half a season and the other was clearly a target in January (pre-Ashworth). 

The signing of Pope by contrast came pretty much out of the blue. I'd expect that's more indicative of our style of approach going forward. As Fish said, there's 6 weeks to go before the window shuts. If by that time we haven't strengthened our front line then, by all means, be critical. 

Now is not the time to be getting frustrated - not yet. 

[ewerk 33655]

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[Polarboy 2317]

Dennis and Paqueta would be the two I'd currently pick given our apparent failure on other targets. Both Cornet and Dennis can play across a front three, but I think Dennis is more comfortable playing centre forward. Again Dennis would kill two birds with one stone being able to play wide and centrally, and we clearly do need a creative player in midfield alongside Bruno and Joe, with Paqueta being ideal. Dennis may only cost 20m maybe 25m. We keep hearing we only have a certain amount to spend because of FFP, who knows what the truth is, but for two quality players we could perhaps try and structure the payments for one or both. Of course given that Watford are in the Championship we could perhaps give them someone like a Murphy, Manquillo, Ritchie or Fernandez in part exchange. All four would do a job for a Championship side. With regard to Arsenal and Paqueta I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd go after him after spending so much on this Fabio Viera lad who's also an attacking mid. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by Polarboy

[Polarboy 2317]

Newcastle United: Ben Jacobs drops interesting Lucas Paqueta transfer claim | thisisfutbol.com

 

No idea how reliable this Ben Jacobs lad is but he's basically echoing the other report in regard to Lyon having lowered their demands in terms of a fee. He goes on to say that we along with other clubs are talking to his agent to see what it would take to sign him. If any of the aforementioned is true you would like to think we have an advantage given he and Bruno's connection. 

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by Polarboy

[Howay 12496]

41 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

 

If there’s any truth to this then we have to be all in for him tbh. He’d add so much to our attack, then we can go and bring in options up front lower down our list than Diaby and we’d be set up very strong going into the season. 

[Kid Dynamite 7829]

I just struggle to see how we fit Bruno, Joelinton, Shelvey, Willock, Elliot, Longstaff and Paqueta into the same squad. Particularly  when we can't hit a barn door up front atm 

[Andrew 5326]

Was listening to On the Continent podcast the other day and they talked about paqueta. 

 

Apparently hes very sensitive to people he likes around the club leaving, he left Milan because Leonardo had gone and now he wants out of Lyon because juninho and bruno have gone.

 

Assuming we are in for him thats got to bode well for us over arsenal. 

[Howay 12496]

17 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I just struggle to see how we fit Bruno, Joelinton, Shelvey, Willock, Elliot, Longstaff and Paqueta into the same squad. Particularly  when we can't hit a barn door up front atm 

Paqueta and Bruno is a brilliant CM pairing, we then either play Bruno deeper like he played at Lyon with Joelinton as the 8, or have Joelinton screening with Bruno 8 and Paqueta further forward. I don’t really see the point in holding off and losing out on a top class Brazilian international because Fraser/Murphy/ Almiron are poor. With that midfield we might actually start to control games. We could then sign one of Cornet, Dennis, Sarr for something around 15m, and/or Belotti on a free. 
 

If you were meaning in terms of 25 man squad, Anderson doesn’t count towards it and imo we should look to offload Shelvey if we got Paqueta as he triggers an extra 12 month extension with 3 more appearances. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by Howay

[Dr Gloom 23967]

19 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I just struggle to see how we fit Bruno, Joelinton, Shelvey, Willock, Elliot, Longstaff and Paqueta into the same squad. Particularly  when we can't hit a barn door up front atm 

Could mean the end of shelvey

[Polarboy 2317]

28 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I just struggle to see how we fit Bruno, Joelinton, Shelvey, Willock, Elliot, Longstaff and Paqueta into the same squad. Particularly  when we can't hit a barn door up front atm 

 

We yeet one of Longstaff or Shelvey in the bin with a big smile on our faces. You actually bring up an important point though, and the fact is that Shelvey and Longstaff should both command some sort of fee, as opposed to the players we've let go on loan and got nothing for so far. We could perhaps get 10 to 15 for Shelvey, and if we're lucky maybe a bit more for Longstaff given his age. An extra 15m would come in very handy. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by Polarboy

[Ayatollah Hermione 14832]

I’d arguably be tempted to keep Longstaff about over Shelvey. But by the same token, Shelvey still has a range of passing that only Bruno can replicate. It’s a tricky one. This post, brought to you by redundancy 

[Isegrim 10632]

We won’t get rid of Shelvey because nobody will match his ridiculous wages. With him being due a contract extension after another three games we probably are stuck with him.

The legacy of the fat clowns.

[wykikitoon 23351]

8 hours ago, Andrew said:

Was listening to On the Continent podcast the other day and they talked about paqueta. 

 

Apparently hes very sensitive to people he likes around the club leaving, he left Milan because Leonardo had gone and now he wants out of Lyon because juninho and bruno have gone.

 

Assuming we are in for him thats got to bode well for us over arsenal. 

Interesting that.  Could mean he is in for a move to the EPL.  BTW Is that a decent podcast Andrew?

 

I do think Shelvey has improved a lot since Howe has come in and when he was out his range of passing was somewhat of a miss.  But, I know it's only friendlies, but, ciggy has played well and chipped in with goals.  Get him playing with more confidence,  Paqueta in and Anderson and I would be happy with that.

[Kid Dynamite 7829]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/07/19/newcastle-worlds-richest-club-why-not-spending-money/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1658212445-1
 

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"According to the people running the club on a day-to-day basis, Newcastle cannot spend more than £100 million on transfers in this window - and that, according to senior sources, is at the very top end of the budget. In April, this figure was even lower at £60 million."

 

He can't bear to admit he was wrong  

 

 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Kid Dynamite

[wykikitoon 23351]

 

The thing is, if we do manage to get a loan and then Paqueta at the price quoted he will be 'I told you so' the CN boring fuck.

[wykikitoon 23351]

Yet CN knows 

 

 

[Craig 6997]

It's almost as though we're a properly run football club these days.

This is the issue with sections of our fanbase. They've been so used to it being run poorly and leaks / namedrops all over the place from Ashley and his cronies over the past 15 years that non-disclosure seems an alien concept. 

I trust that we will do decent business between now and when the window closes. 

[The Fish 11349]

11 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I just struggle to see how we fit Bruno, Joelinton, Shelvey, Willock, Elliot, Longstaff and Paqueta into the same squad. Particularly  when we can't hit a barn door up front atm 

 

There's a few that will have to drop out of the squad to be fair.

 

By my count we have 29 players that need to be reduced to 25. But we've glaring weaknesses at AM, RW and CF.  We could probably get by without 1 of those positions being significantly strengthened in this window. 

 

Of the 7 you've mentioned Bruno and Joelinton have to be included. Paqueta too, if he were signed. Does Anderson need to be registered? He's only 19, right? So, realistically you'd need to drop/sell/loan out Shelvey, Willock or Longstaff.

 

I know that Shelvey gets a 12month extension if he plays 3 more games and I'd argue if we can buy another CM, it makes most sense to move him on before that extension is brought into play.

[Craig 6997]

Anderson is young enough that he doesn't have to be registered. I think if Paqueta comes on board then Shelvey's days are numbered. We can talk about this high wage contract he has but the reality is he'll be put out to pasture much like Clark was last season. 

Pretty sure the idea of paying his contract off won't escape their thoughts either.