Gemmill 49449 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 in 12. We can build on that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 4 hours ago, wykikitoon said: What's Joselu doing? There has to be a point where we have to stump up surly? Is this kid better than Wilson and Wood? I'd happily take as good as Wilson as long as he wasn't made of glass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 18888 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 hours ago, The Fish said: Not sure I agree there, he really suffered last season alongside Sorloth, but was much, much better before then when he was up there on his own. That said, he's still very young and is still learning his craft. If he were played as a wide forward I think you'd see a better goal return than as part of a central striking partnership. More occasions to isolate a fullback or centre back, could pick up the tap ins when the attack is down the opposite flank, more chances for a throughball (which he appears quite good at). 🤓 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6790 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: How many of those were starts though? For his club: Started: 13 Used Sub: 4 Unused Sub: 1 Minutes Played: 1109 Goals Scored: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Newcastle launch loan bid with ‘obligation to buy’ for versatile defender - Report | NUFC blog – Newcastle United blog – NUFC Fixtures, News and Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22587 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Are we going to get into Europe by not conceeding and scoring when Wilson is fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Are we going to get into Europe by not conceeding and scoring when Wilson is fit? Aye, it’s why I honestly think the FFP shite Edwards harps on about isn’t true. There’s no way Ashworth paid €40m or whatever it was for a CB, which was one of our lower priority positions (perhaps lowest other than RB) if it meant our budget was blown. Even Pope tbh, we could have done fine with Schar, Burn, Dubravka compared to what we have in attack. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 In fairness using one of our domestic loan spots for a versatile defender who can play across the backline, is a sensible enough use of that spot. Not very exciting of course. Iirc we still have one domestic and one international loan spot left should we get Tanganga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23405 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 it's a game of poker. they're trying not to get fleeced and are using some journos as messengers to bang the budget drum. if they don't manage to land their prefered targets within "budget" i still expect them to splash some money - probably in the region of an another $50-100m on a couple of forward players 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23405 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 i can't imagine us going into next season without a new striker and winger. whether they land their preferred choices - or the more expensive ones - is debatable but i still expect to see at least one statement signing as well as botman. bit how we got tripper and bruno in last window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11310 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I'd also suggest the pools of talent we're fishing in for strikers is significantly different to that for wingers. I mean, we can conceivably sign a £25-£50m winger who would significantly improve our team, represent better value-for-money etc. Whereas a £25m-£50m strikers are; more in demand, a bigger risk etc. Same reason we can sign highly rated/high value defenders? Not necessarily connected, I'm just curious, would you lot rather sign a £50m striker and loan a winger, or sign a high value winger and loan a striker? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Newcastle United transfer target Hugo Ekitike in limbo as Reims reject latest offer | NewcastleWorld Would you take Ekitike if his deal to PSG collapses, and we're the only choice he has of moving? In fairness I can't see the deal going tits up for the sake of 4m Euro difference between our offer, which was supposedly accepted, and their offer. If it was just the case of the kid wanting to hold out for PSG I'd be fair enough given he reportedly supported them as a kid, but he and his agent do seem as if they're dickheads. Perhaps I'm being harsh though without more info to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, The Fish said: I'd also suggest the pools of talent we're fishing in for strikers is significantly different to that for wingers. I mean, we can conceivably sign a £25-£50m winger who would significantly improve our team, represent better value-for-money etc. Whereas a £25m-£50m strikers are; more in demand, a bigger risk etc. Same reason we can sign highly rated/high value defenders? Not necessarily connected, I'm just curious, would you lot rather sign a £50m striker and loan a winger, or sign a high value winger and loan a striker? The problem with trying to loan forwards is that unless you are incredibly lucky there aren't many teams who'd be willing to loan an attacking player who's actually quality and will improve a team. Obviously if we could get Broja on loan and sign Diaby that would be ideal, but that doesn't seem like it's going to be possible. For the loan thing to even be worth it I'd imagine we'd need to pay a sizeable loan fee up front, and also include and obligation to buy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, The Fish said: I'd also suggest the pools of talent we're fishing in for strikers is significantly different to that for wingers. I mean, we can conceivably sign a £25-£50m winger who would significantly improve our team, represent better value-for-money etc. Whereas a £25m-£50m strikers are; more in demand, a bigger risk etc. Same reason we can sign highly rated/high value defenders? Not necessarily connected, I'm just curious, would you lot rather sign a £50m striker and loan a winger, or sign a high value winger and loan a striker? A big signing for the right wing would be my preference. Imo we have absolutely nothing to offer in that position, I know people on Twitter get upset by this type of opinion but last season we got 5 goals and 4 assists from Fraser, Almiron, and Murphy from nearly 80 starts collectively. I think a right winger also stretches the field, it’ll stop this doubling and triple marking of ASM which will give him far more one v ones. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Howay said: A big signing for the right wing would be my preference. Imo we have absolutely nothing to offer in that position, I know people on Twitter get upset by this type of opinion but last season we got 5 goals and 4 assists from Fraser, Almiron, and Murphy from nearly 80 starts collectively. I think a right winger also stretches the field, it’ll stop this doubling and triple marking of ASM which will give him far more one v ones. It's a long shot, especially seeing as he appears more comfortable on the left, but Fraser in top form is capable of a lot more than we've seen. Whether Howe can get him back to something resembling that form is another matter. He's still only 28 though, so its not an impossibility. Having said all that I would happily concede that we desperately need to reinforce our right wing regardless. More generally I'd say there is an almost equal need to sign a striker given the obvious fitness concerns of Wilson, and the less than prolific record of Wood. Was it Benitez who came up with the short blanket analogy? As in if we pull up the blanket our feet will get cold and vice versa. Assuming of course that we do only have 50m left to spend. Edited July 13, 2022 by Polarboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36586 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Howay said: A big signing for the right wing would be my preference. Imo we have absolutely nothing to offer in that position, I know people on Twitter get upset by this type of opinion but last season we got 5 goals and 4 assists from Fraser, Almiron, and Murphy from nearly 80 starts collectively. I think a right winger also stretches the field, it’ll stop this doubling and triple marking of ASM which will give him far more one v ones. Aye. Even with the level of improvement shown in the second half of the season I think there’s only Fraser I rate. And we need an upgrade on him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Polarboy said: It's a long shot, especially seeing as he appears more comfortable on the left, but Fraser in top form is capable of a lot more than we've seen. Whether Howe can get him back to something resembling that form is another matter. He's still only 28 though, so its not an impossibility. Having said all that I would happily concede that we desperately need to reinforce our right wing regardless. More generally I'd say there is an almost equal need to sign a striker given the obvious fitness concerns of Wilson, and the less than prolific record of Wood. Was it Benitez who came up with the short blanket analogy? As in if we pull up the blanket our feet will get cold and vice versa. Assuming of course that we do only have 50m left to spend. As I say personally I think Fraser is a bottom half/relegation scrap player at this level, he had one purple patch season where Arsenal were linked and he managed 7 goals and 14 assists but outside of that season the contribution we’ve seen this year is the norm for him. Agree striker is a big need too but because we have Wilson that’s what makes me say RW, Wood had a very poor season - I think his issue is that he is better in a front two, but if he had a right winger like Diaby and a freer ASM he could be better than we’ve seen rather than the alternative of Isak receiving 9 foot high crosses out to touch from Fraser. I think we will see a big spending spree late in the window if we don’t see movement on these players soon. There’s no issue with FFP imo and I think as Gloom says it’s just all a bit of a dance at the moment where we are trying to drive the prices down as much as possible and the clubs are trying to hold firm, it’s just who blinks first. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Alex said: Aye. Even with the level of improvement shown in the second half of the season I think there’s only Fraser I rate. And we need an upgrade on him. Aye, Murphy’s finishing is appalling and Almiron is only good for harrying players at this level. Same opinion I have of the ones like Clark in that I don’t blame them for not being the level needed and I’ll remember them as working their balls off to keep us in the PL but it’s time to upgrade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23405 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 i still think amiron might have a role to play. i don't think he's ever going to be a prolific goal scorer or anything but his energy and pressing will be useful late in games with the new 5 sub rule and we saw him look more dangerous after bruno joined and started playing more one twos and little through balls to him to chase. he'd look even better with paqueta alongside bruno behind him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36586 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 He’s hardworking and quick (although he seems less quick than when we signed him). Nee end product is a big cross against his name though. Murphy is in a similar boat for me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23405 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Alex said: He’s hardworking and quick (although he seems less quick than when we signed him). Nee end product is a big cross against his name though. Murphy is in a similar boat for me last few games of the season he looked alright. his speed and workrate put him ahead of murphy for me. i'd bin murphy if we get diaby or similar and keep almiron as cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1350 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I rate Fraser, he's energetic, puts in decent crosses and grafts til he can't graft no more, usually around 80 minutes. He's probably not champions League quality but he is good enough to get us into the top half. Outside of that, I have questions over Almiron and Murphy's ability and decision making under pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) Apparently Gerrard told him to stay in Birmingham and left him off the preseason tour because he wouldn't commit to signing a new contract. He's in the final year of his contract. Don't know much about the lad, but he's very highly rated. Edited July 13, 2022 by Polarboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 32921 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Aye but 25% of our transfer budget will have to go on getting his name printed on his shirt. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, ewerk said: Aye but 25% of our transfer budget will have to go on getting his name printed on his shirt. Reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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