Transfers, 2024-25 season

[Gemmill 48468]

31 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

Howe reportedly "furious" to lose Kelly, according to TBR Football 

 

https://tbrfootball.com/eddie-howe-furious-with-newcastle-as-paul-mitchell-could-sanction-more-departures-after-lloyd-kelly/

 

And no, I don't know who the fuck TBR Football are either

 

Oooo TBR Football.

 

I'm not giving them clicks but I'm gonna guess there isn't a single quote. 

[Toonpack 10873]

7 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

It’s fine for Energy Vampires 

 

Are you suggesting Gemmill is a bit of a Colin Robinson ?

[Gemmill 48468]

Great BANTZ lads. If one of you could PM me when it's over, I want to binge it all in one go. 

[Dr Gloom 23093]

Romano says Galatasaray back in for Trips but Howe doesn’t want to lose him 

[Gemmill 48468]

This is one we should knock back unless it's mental money. 

[aimaad22 4492]

Totally agree that Almiron and Kelly werent offering anything so these are good deals we should have taken.

 

But with zero replacements? I'm not sure. Not even a loan for cover? If there's a couple of injuries we're in trouble. I think it's a risk considering we're sitting in a CL place and a cup semi. 

[Gemmill 48468]

 

 Someone must have told Kelly it waa fancy dress and he's gone Kim Jong Un. Classic Kelly. 

 

 

[Alex 36182]

Aye, he should be sold on the basis of that outfit alone 

Edited 12 hours ago by Alex

[Gemmill 48468]

"I dictate games. I'm the Dictator. Get it?" 

[Toonpack 10873]

And what wages are you looking for Lloyd ?

 

[Gemmill 48468]

 

Hope now reporting the £20m as an option. Makes a lot less sense if they can send him back once they see he's cack. 

[sammynb 3738]

If it's a buy option, then it ia cack deal for us because as you say, they can send him back and we are out a warm body that covers LB and LCB. Makes fuck all sense.

 

3 hours ago, Gemmill said:

This is one we should knock back unless it's mental money. 

 

As for this, Trips is someone we should be getting off the books asap, his legs are gone, he's on big money and he generally looks pissed off for whatever reason - personal life/not being first choice/not being allowed to go to Bayern this time last year.
I have more faith in Kelly doing a job than Trips these day.

[ewerk 32278]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

 

Hope now reporting the £20m as an option. Makes a lot less sense if they can send him back once they see he's cack. 

The actual article says it’s an obligation to buy rather than an option.

[Gemmill 48468]

That's alright then. I didn't bother clicking through.

 

Hot Mitch Summer is back on. 

[Dazzler 11213]

1 hour ago, sammynb said:

If it's a buy option, then it ia cack deal for us because as you say, they can send him back and we are out a warm body that covers LB and LCB. Makes fuck all sense.

 

 

As for this, Trips is someone we should be getting off the books asap, his legs are gone, he's on big money and he generally looks pissed off for whatever reason - personal life/not being first choice/not being allowed to go to Bayern this time last year.
I have more faith in Kelly doing a job than Trips these day.

He’s fast becoming Miggy in an attacking sense. Everything grinds to a halt whenever he gets a hold of the ball. If he can’t deliver set pieces anymore then he offers nothing.

 

You can see exactly why Howe barely gives him a sniff these days. He was probably the most important transfer post-takeover because of his leadership on the pitch, and I am sure some of the transfers happened because we had a winner like him on board but he’s finished at this level now IMO. Tino pisses me off Maxi/Miggy style when he forgets he’s an England international, and trips over his own feet but his defensive work more than makes up for it. Especially, since we have Hall as the creative full back anyway.

[Holden McGroin 7246]

Aye. It’s odd cos Tino started off looking good going forward and positionally suspect. Now he looks solid defensively but not very effective getting forward.

 

i think his touch (especially his first) needs a lot of work. I shit my pants when a ball goes up in the air to him when he last man.

[sammynb 3738]

Tino's pace more than makes up for any deficencies he has, has to be our quickest player and his positional sense when runing/tracking his man is spot on.

[Dr Gloom 23093]

Trippier is loads better technically and positionally than Tino but his legs have gone. They’re totally different players. Tino is a great athlete and his pace and energy on the recovery runs get him out of bother - a lot like Kyle Walker in that sense. He’s never going to be the most technical player - definitely lacks a bit of quality in the final third but he’s still young and will improve.
 

I think Trippier will be looked back upon as one of our best right backs of the premier league era, if not the best. He was absolutely class in his first couple of seasons. Shame we got him at the back end of his career but he was such an important signing for so many reasons. 

[Chaser 1331]

Starting to get a bit concerned at all these exits with no replacements. If Trips, Targett, Kelly all go, we have pretty much left our defence threadbare.  Seems daft when there's still everything bar the league title to play for. 

[Andrew 5037]

I really do wonder how you replace Trippier considering Tino is number one in that position now.

 

If you go younger than Tino you're getting someone who is likely very raw and not ready for first team football.

If you go older you're looking at someone who is either happy to be a squad option and isn't really good enough or someone who might stifle Tinos development by being better than him right now, who may also cost a fucking fortune.

At 22 and 20 Tino and Hall could literally be our first choice full backs for the next decade or more, when have we ever had that? How do you build a squad to back them up?

[Dr Gloom 23093]

5 minutes ago, Andrew said:

I really do wonder how you replace Trippier considering Tino is number one in that position now.

 

If you go younger than Tino you're getting someone who is likely very raw and not ready for first team football.

If you go older you're looking at someone who is either happy to be a squad option and isn't really good enough or someone who might stifle Tinos development by being better than him right now, who may also cost a fucking fortune.

At 22 and 20 Tino and Hall could literally be our first choice full backs for the next decade or more, when have we ever had that? How do you build a squad to back them up?

Step forward Emile Krafth. A significant step down in quality from Trippier but dependable and happy to be a reserve.  
 

Trippier’s exit was always likely once Tino was promoted. He’s too good to sit on the bench and will make a big difference to another club if he does move on 

[sammynb 3738]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

I think Trippier will be looked back upon as one of our best right backs of the premier league era, if not the best. He was absolutely class in his first couple of seasons. Shame we got him at the back end of his career but he was such an important signing for so many reasons. 

 

Fuck off, everyone knows that is already a tie between Andy Griffin and Aaron Hughes!

 

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

Trippier is loads better technically and positionally than Tino but his legs have gone.

 

I always hoped Tripps would reitre and move into EH's coaching squad because he definitely has an ability to help those around him but it seems he wants a move as much as anyone - three windows now he's been linked away.

 

37 minutes ago, Andrew said:

I really do wonder how you replace Trippier considering Tino is number one in that position now.

 

If you go younger than Tino you're getting someone who is likely very raw and not ready for first team football.

If you go older you're looking at someone who is either happy to be a squad option and isn't really good enough or someone who might stifle Tinos development by being better than him right now, who may also cost a fucking fortune.

At 22 and 20 Tino and Hall could literally be our first choice full backs for the next decade or more, when have we ever had that? How do you build a squad to back them up?

 

And yes as Gloomy stated, step forth Cheese - let's hope he can stay fit until the end of the season.

[toonotl 3328]

As much as it's nice to move out players on the fringes of the squad, it is still a mighty underwhelming series of transfer windows we've had these last three windows. And I'm not convinced it becomes a question of simply turning on the money faucet come the summer.

 

It's safe to say that PSR is properly doing a number on us at this point. One of the most passionately supported clubs in the country curtailed by the arbitrariness of historical timing. If we had basically any other owner than Ashley prior to the PSR era we'd be streets ahead now because we'd have had a much stronger base to build from with a PIF takeover. As it is we built to PSR capacity in a few windows and now suffer the penalty of a seemingly impenetrably low ceiling which is the product of 15 years of stagnation under that fat cunt. We'll get through it, of course, in time, but imagine if we were on the fringes of European spots rather than a fuckin' yo-yo club prior to the takeover. For one thing, we would have had players to sell to lower PL teams rather players that nobody wanted and others who could only perform above expectations in fits and starts. And the drop off between trying to sell to PL teams (or equivalent) and trying to sell into the championship is night and day because of the relative gulf in buying capacity between the levels. If we weren't a habitual basket case prior to the takeover the difference now would be enormous. As it is we have clearly stagnated and simply hanging onto what we have is viewed as a victory.

 

Of course what money we have available to spend is the chief concern come the summer but it's also a worry if our buying capacity has weakened in terms of how we are perceived by the agents/players we're looking to buy. The possibility of Isak, Bruno, et. al. leaving owing to our stagnation is obvious but what about potential signings also not considering us for the same reason. You'd have to wonder if we had the money to sign an Isak/Bruno now and given our stalling project, would they come? Would they believe that we're a team capable of working towards challenging for silverware across the short term of the best years of a player's career? It's a question for sure. So when it comes to the summer transfer window, money to spend or not, I'll be very interested to see how capable we are of getting deals done for elite players if we can't show the type of trajectory such a player would desire.

 

Not to be a complete misery guts but I think where we finish this season could be the most important moment for the takeover since we avoided relegation in the first season. I tend to agree with Gloomy, if we miss CL, we'll be force to sell in the summer. Then its about the message that sends to the players we manage to keep and the elite players of the world we're looking to sign that despite everything we're still a selling club/stepping-stone to the elite clubs of the world. I really wish that the PIF would just push the boat out on sponsorships and what not. Hopefully the new training ground and stadium are accompanied by some truly eye-watering naming rights sponsorships that challenge the "Big Club" lapdogs at the PL's administrative arm to go fuck itself.

[OTF 8008]

I don't think we'll be forced to sell if we miss champions league. Some players may want to leave but we'll not be in the position where we want to or need to sell them. This is part of why we're selling players this window IMO. The other part is so that if we do get CL then we'll be best positioned to bolster and improve the squad for the additional games.

[Rayvin 5721]

I'm somewhere between both views. If we go out and strengthen properly this summer, I think the good players stay for one more season. If we stand still, I think Isak/Tonali at least will be off.