Monkeys Fist 44141 Posted Saturday at 10:42 Share Posted Saturday at 10:42 Keegan and Howe, whilst vastly different in terms of personality and methods, are both in the same bracket for me as far as club standing is concerned. Keegan’s managerial achievements here are rightly revered- it was his first management job, and he took us from the brink of oblivion to the brink of ecstasy. It can’t be overstated how he utterly transformed this club -yes, SJH’s money was a necessary factor, and he deserves some credit, but without Keegan none of it would have happened. The sheer joy and pride he instigated, not just in the club but about the city in general, was incredible and we’re still reaping the benefits of it. Given the precarious position we were in when he came, to do it by employing a stingy, defensive approach would’ve been eminently sensible and understandable. But, no - fuck that! He virtually wrote the definition of cavalier football- “ ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!” Ultimately, for a multitude of reasons, he didn’t get us that elusive trophy we absolutely deserved under him, but… … It doesn’t matter. His place in our history is assured and thoroughly deserved. I fucking love the bloke. Eddie came in with the club in a similar situation at first- The Cabbage had sucked any joy out of both the fans and the players, and we were only heading in one direction- that’s not even open to debate. The joy of the takeover was very much tempered by the stench of Bruce stinking up the place, until he got ditched. If we’re honest, most of us were probably a little underwhelmed when Eddie was announced as gaffer, and the players he inherited were so unfit, uninterested and uncoached it’s no surprise he struggled to get the first win under his belt, but then… …in four months from him taking over, he got us 20 points from 14 games, finished 11th, becoming the first team in PL history not to be relegated having not won their first 14 games. Like Keegan, he gave us back the pride and the joy of not only our club, but our city. He’s done it differently, but no less remarkably- his transformation of BUJ07 from a figure of ridicule in to FUCKING THANOS remains for me his greatest achievement so far, but he’s gone about transforming the club, the players, our style, our respect and standing, and crucially, our expectations in a manner that no one else but Keegan has done. The thing that excites me about Howe is that I totally believe his best is yet to come with us. Keegan’s place in our hearts is cemented in and assured, Howe’s has absolutely rock-solid foundations but is still being built on. And I fucking love the bloke. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44141 Posted Saturday at 10:46 Share Posted Saturday at 10:46 Also, whilst swerving the standers v filthmongers debate, @LondonBlue has potentially opened another civil war with the pissing question? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 902 Posted Saturday at 11:38 Share Posted Saturday at 11:38 47 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Keegan and Howe, whilst vastly different in terms of personality and methods, are both in the same bracket for me as far as club standing is concerned. Keegan’s managerial achievements here are rightly revered- it was his first management job, and he took us from the brink of oblivion to the brink of ecstasy. It can’t be overstated how he utterly transformed this club -yes, SJH’s money was a necessary factor, and he deserves some credit, but without Keegan none of it would have happened. The sheer joy and pride he instigated, not just in the club but about the city in general, was incredible and we’re still reaping the benefits of it. Given the precarious position we were in when he came, to do it by employing a stingy, defensive approach would’ve been eminently sensible and understandable. But, no - fuck that! He virtually wrote the definition of cavalier football- “ ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!” Ultimately, for a multitude of reasons, he didn’t get us that elusive trophy we absolutely deserved under him, but… … It doesn’t matter. His place in our history is assured and thoroughly deserved. I fucking love the bloke. Eddie came in with the club in a similar situation at first- The Cabbage had sucked any joy out of both the fans and the players, and we were only heading in one direction- that’s not even open to debate. The joy of the takeover was very much tempered by the stench of Bruce stinking up the place, until he got ditched. If we’re honest, most of us were probably a little underwhelmed when Eddie was announced as gaffer, and the players he inherited were so unfit, uninterested and uncoached it’s no surprise he struggled to get the first win under his belt, but then… …in four months from him taking over, he got us 20 points from 14 games, finished 11th, becoming the first team in PL history not to be relegated having not won their first 14 games. Like Keegan, he gave us back the pride and the joy of not only our club, but our city. He’s done it differently, but no less remarkably- his transformation of BUJ07 from a figure of ridicule in to FUCKING THANOS remains for me his greatest achievement so far, but he’s gone about transforming the club, the players, our style, our respect and standing, and crucially, our expectations in a manner that no one else but Keegan has done. The thing that excites me about Howe is that I totally believe his best is yet to come with us. Keegan’s place in our hearts is cemented in and assured, Howe’s has absolutely rock-solid foundations but is still being built on. And I fucking love the bloke. this is kinda how i think. i'm not a fan of comparisons. city fans like to compare Fernandinho and Rodri, not me. I love them both and am grateful for both have given to my club. I hate the debates of is X better than Y when both X and Y are/were awesome (not to say i don't jump in feet first occasionally). Sometimes its easy, Rodri v Viniscius is Rodri all day for me as i think Viniscius us a nasty piece of work. Messi vs the Tranny is not so easy, 2 great players with one having a penchant for women's clothes. Foden vs Saka not so easy as they are both great players. Sure Foden has contributed to a lot of silverware including being standout in the U17 World Cup. But Foden has been surrounded by great players, wheras Saka has had to make do with Arsenal players, Keegan was great. Great to watch. But Howe might well bring the silverware. I would be more than happy if Howe rocked up as City manager in a couple of years (doubt he will). Would be curious to have seen yester years Keegan follow Pep. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10129 Posted Saturday at 11:53 Share Posted Saturday at 11:53 There is no manager comparable to Keegan in regards to the ability of making people dream and believe and creating emotional joy. Howe is the absolute perfect manager, probably better in the understanding of the necessities of the modern game. He might share a lot of the ideas with Keegan how to approach the game. But he is a much more modest person so is not as capable of touching people’s emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 360 Posted Saturday at 12:19 Share Posted Saturday at 12:19 25 minutes ago, Isegrim said: There is no manager comparable to Keegan in regards to the ability of making people dream and believe and creating emotional joy. Howe is the absolute perfect manager, probably better in the understanding of the necessities of the modern game. He might share a lot of the ideas with Keegan how to approach the game. But he is a much more modest person so is not as capable of touching people’s emotions. This could have been a Keegan quote tbf mind. "I've got no issues with that. That's absolutely what they have to do, and I want the environment and the atmosphere here to be as good as it can be for us and as hard as it can be for the opposition. The supporters were magnificent today, and they have been for a long time now. Absolutely, dream.". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14394 Posted Saturday at 12:32 Share Posted Saturday at 12:32 You’re right but it was all in Keegan’s delivery. Howe is a lot more restrained and considered in public. He’s obviously different in the changing room, like since the way we fly out of the traps in some games is absolutely Keegan-esque 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 35149 Posted Saturday at 19:43 Share Posted Saturday at 19:43 Keegan is number one and always will be. Love Eddie and think he could be the perfect manager for this club now but KK's first two full seasons were something else, he was also ruthless with players when he wanted an upgrade. The club we have today isn't there in if there's no Keegan, it's as simple as that. Even in his half season at the beginning he called Hall's bluff about the money as he had that pull and leverage, the absolute wasteland we were in as a club cannot be understated, it's a daft thing but I think it our filth win in a row in the promotion year where in a two nil v Luton my breath was taken away with the kind of football which only months earlier would have been unthinkable, the way his team just laughed at the new back pass rule whilst others were genuinely doing re-enactments early twentieth century keystone cop acts was another thing I loved, the way he ruthlessly sold his top scorer to get Beardsley who he knew would be perfect for his relatively unknown signing Andy Cole was genius, still to this day the PL's most successful goalscoring partnership, (not that you'd know it by sky), to escape relegation to the third, to piss the league the year after then third in your first season back whilst playing brilliant football was a joy to see, he never moaned about refs, never moaned full stop, always gave credit to the other team and was the perfect ambassador for the club, we were in the doldrums and then it was champagne style. Like I say, NUFC now isn't possible without KK. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4528 Posted Sunday at 22:43 Share Posted Sunday at 22:43 We should just have Kulusevski off roflham lolspurs when they go down 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 48155 Posted Monday at 08:06 Share Posted Monday at 08:06 That Huijsen kid at Bournemouth has a release clause apparently. Another one they're gonna struggle to hold on to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 7169 Posted Monday at 09:04 Share Posted Monday at 09:04 I’d go for him but not sure how much hope we have of getting him when Real Madrid are interested. He looks a real prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7419 Posted Monday at 09:07 Share Posted Monday at 09:07 Given our current league position and proximity to a cup final, I'm still surprised we aren't looking for at least one player that can challenge the first XI and give the squad a bit of a lift in the 2nd half of the season. It's all good keeping our powder dry for the Summer, but if we end up in the Europa conference league I'm not sure Isak will be hanging around to see it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 7169 Posted Monday at 09:27 Share Posted Monday at 09:27 Don’t worry. Big Mitch is on the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1335 Posted Monday at 11:05 Share Posted Monday at 11:05 Newcastle set to sign Galway United’s Kyle Fitzgerald https://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2025/1/21/24337031/newcastle-set-to-sign-galway-uniteds-kyle-fitzgerald-report https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-complete-deal-exciting-30868744 We've been signing a LOT of Irish youngsters under the new regime. @ewerk Loving life right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44141 Posted Monday at 12:20 Share Posted Monday at 12:20 1 hour ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: Newcastle set to sign Galway United’s Kyle Fitzgerald https://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2025/1/21/24337031/newcastle-set-to-sign-galway-uniteds-kyle-fitzgerald-report https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-complete-deal-exciting-30868744 We've been signing a LOT of Irish youngsters under the new regime. @ewerk Loving life right now. CT at the news of another young Oirish lad to slaver over… 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11213 Posted Monday at 14:51 Share Posted Monday at 14:51 On 24/01/2025 at 16:45, thebrokendoll said: he took us from the brink of relegation to the 3rd division for the first time in our history to rampant runaway champions the next season. he finished 3rd in the premier league the next season playing breathtaking football, qualifying for europe for the first time in 2 decades. finished 6th the next season and runners up the following one ro a man utd team managed by the premier league greatest manager (the whisky soaked scottish cunt). we were unlucky to come up against that man utd team, keegan didn't blow it. he was the catalyst for transforming the ground from a barren, sparsely populated shithole in to modern, sold out, 2nd biggest stadium in the country. honestly man, howe isn't fit to lace his boots, I hope he goes on to warrant comparison. but as it stands, to suggest he does is nothing short of fucking outrageous. in my opinion. Howe's the better tactician. Keegan is a million amazing things, but he was very notably not good at tactics at a time when it wasn't even that important to be tactically astute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 48155 Posted Monday at 15:00 Share Posted Monday at 15:00 Aye. I totally take on board that Keegan was an unbelievably charismatic bloke and an inspirational character who through sheer force of personality as much as anything else, took the club from the doldrums to the brink of winning the PL in the blink of an eye. Unbelievable achievement and he'll always be loved up here for it. But setting that aside... everywhere else he went, he got found out. Someone mentioned Howey talking about the total lack of tactics in any of his training. Neville also talks about his England sessions and says he cannot believe some of the stuff they were doing at that level of football. Amazing bloke. Totally gets Newcastle United, and somehow was able to capture lightning in a bottle and fire us to very nearly winning the PL. But not a great coach. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22984 Posted Monday at 15:21 Share Posted Monday at 15:21 3 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: CT at the news of another young Oirish lad to slaver over… where the fuck did you find that gif? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 44141 Posted Monday at 15:29 Share Posted Monday at 15:29 7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: where the fuck did you find that gif? Down the side of the outdoor sofa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 35149 Posted Monday at 15:30 Share Posted Monday at 15:30 Even when KK came back under fat bastard he took a few games to see what was going on and made a tactical switch involving dropping Owen back a touch playing off Viduka and Nd or Martins iirc and had us go on a good run, also got shit CF Howey into the England squad as a CB, Ossie was looking at the same thing but KK implemented perfectly, he wasn't as daft as some made out, I just think sometimes knowing how much confidence is such a thing he'd look at the opposition team, read it out saying he doesn't get in your place to each player and put a lot of trust in them to carry it out their jobs. You could argue Eddie was done like a kipper v Bournemouth by their bloke which I'm not necessarily saying but even if he was, it happens. He didn't get his tactics wrong v Man U in either the 0-1 at home nor the 5-0 the following season Vs the great Ferguson, the sky driven 'mind games' must've been on the blink that day. Also while I'm at it, his transfer record ratio was fucking superb whether it was how successful they were at the club or how much we sold them on for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11213 Posted Monday at 16:22 Share Posted Monday at 16:22 45 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Even when KK came back under fat bastard he took a few games to see what was going on and made a tactical switch involving dropping Owen back a touch playing off Viduka and Nd or Martins iirc and had us go on a good run, also got shit CF Howey into the England squad as a CB, Ossie was looking at the same thing but KK implemented perfectly, he wasn't as daft as some made out, I just think sometimes knowing how much confidence is such a thing he'd look at the opposition team, read it out saying he doesn't get in your place to each player and put a lot of trust in them to carry it out their jobs. You could argue Eddie was done like a kipper v Bournemouth by their bloke which I'm not necessarily saying but even if he was, it happens. He didn't get his tactics wrong v Man U in either the 0-1 at home nor the 5-0 the following season Vs the great Ferguson, the sky driven 'mind games' must've been on the blink that day. Also while I'm at it, his transfer record ratio was fucking superb whether it was how successful they were at the club or how much we sold them on for. That kind of switch, shifting Owen back a bit, or when Robson told Shearer to stop showing defenders his back and run at them instead, I think that's more the man management side of things. And Keegan was an absolute genius at that. Howe was absolutely done by Iraola, but that was as much down to the squad having a poor game as it was Iraola's wits and Howe's short comings (which he undoubtedly has). I am surprised Keegan hasn't been involved much since the takeover. I would have expected some kind of dog and pony show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 35149 Posted Monday at 16:35 Share Posted Monday at 16:35 7 minutes ago, The Fish said: That kind of switch, shifting Owen back a bit, or when Robson told Shearer to stop showing defenders his back and run at them instead, I think that's more the man management side of things. And Keegan was an absolute genius at that. Howe was absolutely done by Iraola, but that was as much down to the squad having a poor game as it was Iraola's wits and Howe's short comings (which he undoubtedly has). I am surprised Keegan hasn't been involved much since the takeover. I would have expected some kind of dog and pony show. I just think he's quite happy to stay out of the limelight and wrongly thinks he ultimately failed up here. Sky's never ending 'love it' video and the wrong interpretation of it through the years since has a lot to answer for and has clouded his reputation by people who were in nappies at the time or not even born and haven't got a fucking clue. To me and and the NUFC fans who watched it at the time with me it was a rallying call and if he'd demanded it we'd have marched on Old Trafford there and then! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alex 36104 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 22 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: CT at the news of another young Oirish lad to slaver over… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36104 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 18 hours ago, The Fish said: That kind of switch, shifting Owen back a bit, or when Robson told Shearer to stop showing defenders his back and run at them instead, I think that's more the man management side of things. And Keegan was an absolute genius at that. Howe was absolutely done by Iraola, but that was as much down to the squad having a poor game as it was Iraola's wits and Howe's short comings (which he undoubtedly has). I am surprised Keegan hasn't been involved much since the takeover. I would have expected some kind of dog and pony show. Lots of water under the bridge and KK and Ashley were never going to see eye to eye. But the tactical astuteness of KK is quite underrated imo. Especially by the time his second spell at the club came around. People also forget in terms of his ‘naivety’ that NUFC was his first job in management. I know we get it on here but a lot of people just go off cliches. Re: his second spell here, in that first part season the Owen thing was more than just man-management. The media had made a big deal of Owen’s criticism of KK in the former’s autobiography* and KK making Owen captain was a great hit of psychology. But getting Owen to play deeper, in a sort of old fashioned inside right position, with Viduka as the target man and Martins terrifying defenders with his pace wide left was really effective. And no fucker was playing a proper 4-3-3 in the premier league then. Don’t give me Mourinho with his 4-5-1. *Tbf Owen wouldn’t even have read it, let alone written it. The little cunt 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 35149 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Alex said: Lots of water under the bridge and KK and Ashley were never going to see eye to eye. But the tactical astuteness of KK is quite underrated imo. Especially by the time his second spell at the club came around. People also forget in terms of his ‘naivety’ that NUFC was his first job in management. I know we get it on here but a lot of people just go off cliches. Re: his second spell here, in that first part season the Owen thing was more than just man-management. The media had made a big deal of Owen’s criticism of KK in the former’s autobiography* and KK making Owen captain was a great hit of psychology. But getting Owen to play deeper, in a sort of old fashioned inside right position, with Viduka as the target man and Martins terrifying defenders with his pace wide left was really effective. And no fucker was playing a proper 4-3-3 in the premier league then. Don’t give me Mourinho with his 4-5-1. *Tbf Owen wouldn’t even have read it, let alone written it. The little cunt Can't agree Alex, the papers and sky said he wasn't very good and lost the mind games in the one season he was in charge of us when his shitness got found out by the greatest manager to have lived at the greatest club in the world (and definitely the biggest), who beat him with his very own kids. They hunted him down and everybody lived happily ever after and the next generation of pundits for twenty years plus were formed. Amen. #SkyChildren 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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