The Fish 10422 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: All sold for a combined £5.5m. You may want to find some better examples. I'll need you to look at what they paid for them, look what they sold them for, adjust it for football inflation, and then I'm going to need you to get the hell off my fucking back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31563 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Him saying we need to be better at selling is fair enough until you look at what we want to sell, what contract they're on and the chances of selling them, (especially now under PSR) being slim to none. If he wants to point the finger for that then it has to go back to the Ashley regime. Or is he saying we should've bought players in under the level of Bruno etc to let them grow before selling? The long-term aim of development is the way to go but if you can't sell the shite then you have to grow the income till the development takes shape and the shite eventually leaves through not renewing their contracts. Or we sell a diamond with a potential diamond already in place when the polished diamond is sold. Absolutely nobody wants the likes of isak to go so either they up their game on the income front or they get selling the stars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 89 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 44 minutes ago, ewerk said: All sold for a combined £5.5m. You may want to find some better examples. Isn't getting them off the wage bill the major factor here though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29474 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, zico martin said: Isn't getting them off the wage bill the major factor here though? Absolutely. We couldn't give them away with the money they're on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8680 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Call the joiner, Fish needs help 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16505 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I’ve now read the Atlantic article and the way they’ve interpreted what Mitchell says gives the foul stench of a jonnie come lately patronisingly schooling the incumbent staff, whilst thinking that he’s smoothing things over. I know this because I’ve both done it and been on the receiving end of that sort of bullshit. Trust me, I’m an expert on this ☺️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29474 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 13 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: I’ve now read the Atlantic article and the way they’ve interpreted what Mitchell says gives the foul stench of a jonnie come lately patronisingly schooling the incumbent staff, whilst thinking that he’s smoothing things over. I know this because I’ve both done it and been on the receiving end of that sort of bullshit. Trust me, I’m an expert on this ☺️ An outsider's view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10422 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, Howmanheyman said: Him saying we need to be better at selling is fair enough until you look at what we want to sell, what contract they're on and the chances of selling them, (especially now under PSR) being slim to none. If he wants to point the finger for that then it has to go back to the Ashley regime. Or is he saying we should've bought players in under the level of Bruno etc to let them grow before selling? The long-term aim of development is the way to go but if you can't sell the shite then you have to grow the income till the development takes shape and the shite eventually leaves through not renewing their contracts. Or we sell a diamond with a potential diamond already in place when the polished diamond is sold. Absolutely nobody wants the likes of isak to go so either they up their game on the income front or they get selling the stars. Well, they are getting more income, but that'll take time. And these stars you speak of? Who exactly could we sell and make good money on? We've tried offloading Almiron in two separate windows, no joy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31563 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, The Fish said: Well, they are getting more income, but that'll take time. And these stars you speak of? Who exactly could we sell and make good money on? We've tried offloading Almiron in two separate windows, no joy. Almiron is one of the people we can't sell from the Ashley regime. The stars we could sell at a profit would be Bruno, Isak or Gordon. I'd add Botman to that but that's now a wait and see as it's a bad injury which has been unnecessarily aggravated. Do I want to sell the crown jewels? Of course not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1205 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Sounds like Mitchell is going to hoover up a whole bunch of 18 year old wonderkids with the 70mil instead, great news for the Official Loan watch Thread™. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42580 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: Sounds like Mitchell is going to hoover up a whole bunch of 18 year old wonderkids with the 70mil instead, great news for the Official Loan watch Thread™. "Look at all this extra work I won't do". Unbelievable. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34058 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 3 hours ago, thebrokendoll said: chris waugh was lee ryder's underling. nowt more needs saying. Craig Hope was KD’s Ditto 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8606 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 14 minutes ago, Alex said: Craig Hope was KD’s Ditto Kid Dynamite?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16505 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Just now, thebrokendoll said: Kid Dynamite?? I was hoping it was a typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34058 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 16 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: Kid Dynamite?? I think they were at uni together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8606 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 17 minutes ago, Alex said: I think they were at uni together oh. I thought for a minute you were suggesting the kid was that fucker who spars with the mackem on good morning britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34058 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 3 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: oh. I thought for a minute you were suggesting the kid was that fucker who spars with the mackem on good morning britain. Andrew Pierce? The prize twat’s prize twat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8606 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, Alex said: Andrew Pierce? The prize twat’s prize twat aye that's the one? surely that's not KD? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10422 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 52 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Almiron is one of the people we can't sell from the Ashley regime. The stars we could sell at a profit would be Bruno, Isak or Gordon. I'd add Botman to that but that's now a wait and see as it's a bad injury which has been unnecessarily aggravated. Do I want to sell the crown jewels? Of course not. That's my point though, we don't want to sell the stars, and we can't sell the fringe players. So where does that leave us? We have to inflate the PSR envelope by signing commercial deals and offloading from the wage bill. Those are both more incremental steps, but way more sustainable than trying to cash in on the players who we should be building a dynasty around. I think they messed up this window, by focussing too much on Guehi and not the bigger picture. We needed an athletic, technical right-sided CB. Not Guehi specifcally. If there were none available at the price we were happy with, then we should have quickly shifted focus to another area of the pitch. To fail to do that was shortsighted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6227 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, Howmanheyman said: Almiron is one of the people we can't sell from the Ashley regime. The stars we could sell at a profit would be Bruno, Isak or Gordon. I'd add Botman to that but that's now a wait and see as it's a bad injury which has been unnecessarily aggravated. Do I want to sell the crown jewels? Of course not. The new regime gave Almiron contract extension. I suppose that was with a view to getting a fee somewhere down the line. We should have sold him when he had that cracking season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8680 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 12 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said: The new regime gave Almiron contract extension. I suppose that was with a view to getting a fee somewhere down the line. We should have sold him when he had that cracking season. And replace him with who ? Given our PSR hole it would have had to be for less than we got for Miggy, or we passed on someone we did buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31563 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 28 minutes ago, The Fish said: That's my point though, we don't want to sell the stars, and we can't sell the fringe players. So where does that leave us? We have to inflate the PSR envelope by signing commercial deals and offloading from the wage bill. Those are both more incremental steps, but way more sustainable than trying to cash in on the players who we should be building a dynasty around. I think they messed up this window, by focussing too much on Guehi and not the bigger picture. We needed an athletic, technical right-sided CB. Not Guehi specifcally. If there were none available at the price we were happy with, then we should have quickly shifted focus to another area of the pitch. To fail to do that was shortsighted. That was also my point! Your first three sentences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31563 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I feel like the ignored woman from the fast show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 8436 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 19 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said: The new regime gave Almiron contract extension. I suppose that was with a view to getting a fee somewhere down the line. We should have sold him when he had that cracking season. It was only a cracking half season tbf, he was slowly reverting to form towards the end but still had a few outstanding performances (like when we shagged Brighton). I don't recall any rumours of big offers / clubs looking at him at the time though and I've always got the impression that his aim is to head back to the MLS so he's going to run his contract down to a point an MLS team can afford him or he'll leave for free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 8436 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Just now, Howmanheyman said: I feel like the ignored woman from the fast show. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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