Gemmill 44853 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 5 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: This from Hope, as he promised/trailed last night, is a fuckin doozy https://archive.is/zj0ZQ I'm interested to see how the Hope haters respond to this. Is he talking shit and just a fucking liar, or is this a well sourced piece which confirms their own views? Tough spot for a Saturday morning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17252 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 This, as far as I can make out, hasn’t been reported in this manner naming this individual before…. We have learnt that, when Jacobo Solis — a senior figure from the Saudi Public Investment Fund, the majority owners — asked questions over the day-to-day running of the club, Eales communicated that he could not do things as he would like because Staveley and Ghodoussi were too involved. It caused a split at the very top of the club, and Staveley and Ghodoussi felt they had no option but to sell their six per cent share and go. This, it is said, left them heartbroken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 That article makes sense and explains a lot. It's so convincing that it makes me wonder why Hope works for the Mail at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9203 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 It did not happen because Staveley brokered the £33m sale of Yankuba Minteh to Brighton and Elliot Anderson — much to the player and Howe’s disappointment — was sold to Forest for £35m. However, the latter was only possible because Newcastle agreed to take Greek goalkeeper Odysseas Vlachodimos for an eight-figure fee that we are told would ‘make your eyes water’. The Magpies have since tried to send him out on loan. don't believe a word of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13863 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I’m always wary of Hope as he’s a shit stirrer by nature and always has an agenda but there is often truth hidden inside the sensationalist slants. I have absolutely no doubt that Howe is fucking furious though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 39 minutes ago, Isegrim said: It’s the first transfer window since the takeover that has to be considered a failure, Apart from January when we failed to sign a desperately needed midfielder who might have got us into Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1 minute ago, NJS said: Apart from January when we failed to sign a desperately needed midfielder who might have got us into Europe. Given how fucked we were at the end of June it’s obvious why we signed no one in January. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9772 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 It does tie in with Staveley saying they had to go because they were too involved but couldn’t stay on as it’s not in their personalities to take a back seat. Despite all truths Hope does like to sensationalise and dramatise things though. I guess the truth about things is somewhere in the middle. I do agree that forcing out Staveley never seemed wise to me. I am also not optimistic about Howe rejecting England in case he gets an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9772 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 3 minutes ago, NJS said: Apart from January when we failed to sign a desperately needed midfielder who might have got us into Europe. I knew someone would point to January, but it is always a very difficult time to sign top players in midseason. We did also not have any money to spend then. It would have needed a miracle to sort something out then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 That power was handed to sporting director Paul Mitchell. In the words of chief executive Eales, 90 per cent of Mitchell’s role is recruitment. In his first window, Newcastle have failed to sign a single player who improves the first team. Aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2978 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Isegrim said: I think people are a bit overreacting especially with blaming individuals. I think it is perfectly fair to hold the individuals in charge of the transfers responsible for failing to get transfers done. I think it is also possible to simultaneously accept that there were difficulties involved in getting the transfers done. I'm certain every transfer window poses challenges of its own kind. Perhaps the first one was worse when we were bottom of the league, nailed on for relegation, etc. etc. But we managed to sign some impressive players. Anyway that's just a hypothetical example. From my perspective, I accept that there were challenges to be overcome. But I think they could've been overcome like similar difficulties have been overcome in the past. Perhaps Mitchell was naive in his assessment that he had a good relationship with Parish. Perhaps he should've read the writing on the wall with every iota of the transfer story being leaked to the press at every turn that him and Eales were being setup to look like fools. Maybe. We can't say either way but it's possible. The point is that there are too many variables for us to accurately assess the differences between reasons for failure and excuses. That's why in this domain the results are typically taken to be king. With poor results there is a burden of responsibility for failure placed on the individuals most responsible. From my perspective, this is no different to a head coach getting criticised for a run of poor results. Rightly or wrongly it's the way it is. I'm repeating myself largely from an earlier post. But anyway I absolutely agree with the last part of your post. I also hope people don't start behaving like spoiled brats. We are in an amazing position as a club compared to where we were. I really do think we have the right people in charge and I don't want them sacked or anything even remotely close to having their positions put in jeopardy. I also fear that the mongs could turn on the club's hierarchy and make things toxic if we don't perform well on the pitch. That's the last thing we need. At the end of the day, I mostly agree that the situation we've been placed in by PSR is incredibly incredibly difficult. I just think that we can blame certain individuals responsible (on a message board where it is of absolutely zero consequence) and still support them at the same time to continue in the job because they're the best person for it. tl;dr: I have every confidence that we have people in key positions who are capable of learning fast and adapting. But they're personally responsible for this fuck up because it's part of their job to do everything possible to recruit players. Edited August 31 by toonotl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9203 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 5 minutes ago, Dougle said: That power was handed to sporting director Paul Mitchell. In the words of chief executive Eales, 90 per cent of Mitchell’s role is recruitment. In his first window, Newcastle have failed to sign a single player who improves the first team. Aye it's worse than that, they've both sneaked back in... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nraider2 41 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Spending £28mil on Lewis Hall this summer will have other clubs worried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 9 minutes ago, t00nraider2 said: Spending £28mil on Lewis Hall this summer will have other clubs worried. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: How many games will it be before someone posts the free agent list? Zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: I'm interested to see how the Hope haters respond to this. Is he talking shit and just a fucking liar, or is this a well sourced piece which confirms their own views? Tough spot for a Saturday morning. It’s a pile of negative click farming shite. Split at the top of the club, bollocks, PIF are in charge, what they say goes. So we have to believe because of some conflict Amanda/Mehrdad decided to can their investment in an appreciating asset, yeah right. Way more likely - there’s no way they could raise their necessary share of the upcoming stadium investment. They were shareholders, Eales is an employee, at worst they could have been told by PIF to step back a bit from the nitty gritty but instead they decided to flounce with tears in their eyes, nope, not having it. If Caulkin says anything, likely to be more from the horses mouth as he was tight with Amanda/Mehrdad during the takeover, but Hope, fuck off man 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Snake oil and sleeves rolled up . This fucker really only 52? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 56 minutes ago, toonotl said: tl;dr: I have every confidence that we have people in key positions who are capable of learning fast and adapting. But they're personally responsible for this fuck up because it's part of their job to do everything possible to recruit players. I don’t consider it a fuck up tbh, a fuck up would have been buying some player out of desperation who turned out to be a billy big bollocks and he destroyed the squad harmony/mentality the fans would have been happy though. We have criteria we want in players coming in/the resultant financials, to not compromise that is a decision, not a mistake. The club officials are paid the big money to make those decisions and the results of those decisions have career defining repercussions, they won’t take them lightly and I would hope not emotionally either. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17252 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Here @Toonpack this is your mate Caulkin 👀 https://archive.is/IBkY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9772 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 30 minutes ago, Toonpack said: If Caulkin says anything, likely to be more from the horses mouth as he was tight with Amanda/Mehrdad during the takeover, but Hope, fuck off man 😂 Quote “As we grew, we brought in an executive team and Darren Eales (the chief executive), but we were very much at the coalface because Newcastle was still under-resourced. As the club continues to expand it needs a management team that can be left to do their jobs. I’ve read on social media that there’s been some kind of fallout but that’s rubbish. I love my colleagues. It just became unfair for us to constantly be there.” … “No, that’s absolute rubbish,” she says. “I’m heartbroken not to be there because I love the club more than anything; the fans, the community, everything. And I would wish to be there every day, but it’s also not fair. The club’s management team need to have the chance to deliver their business plan. We did a great job and it’s been a privilege to be part of it, but they need to be left to do their jobs, too. “Maybe we were right for Newcastle for those few years. Maybe that’s what they needed. But I’d be useless just standing there doing nothing and it wouldn’t be fair on Darren if we’re always there telling them what we think. There’s processes and accountability and they’ll figure it out.” That’s what Staveley said to Caulkin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1256 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I’m sorry @Toonpack but Guehi cannot be the only CB that fits these criteria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 8 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Here @Toonpack this is your mate Caulkin 👀 https://archive.is/IBkY1 Not forced out, Hope is a cunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 3 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: I’m sorry @Toonpack but Guehi cannot be the only CB that fits these criteria He wasn’t, that’s more journo bullshit, we couldn’t land one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9203 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Here @Toonpack this is your mate Caulkin 👀 https://archive.is/IBkY1 stopped reading that after the first paragraph. refuse to tolerate any fucker coming out with the line that it's good news we've kept a hold of our best 3 players. we'd complied with psr 2 fucking months ago, selling any of the top lads would've been fucking pathetic and a complete and utter failure, even a little tin pot club in croydon was able to retains theirs while simultaneously taking the piss. caulkin's a cunt. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobElliott 1493 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Aye well it was likely we would end up with a difficult window. - Ashworth leaving with his laptop of players early in the year and Ratcliffe whinging for months meant we were on the back foot for transfers - Amanda leaving and the PSR debacle in June likely affected targets, Mitchell and Bunce coming in. Most execs need a listening and learning period. I cant imagine Mitchell would be splashing the cash as soon as he got in the door like Adam Pearson in Hooters - We haven't had the luxury of selling £100m players like Brighton and West Ham to fund investment, and our turnover isnt good enough, Thanks to Mike Ashley for both of those! It is growing pretty quickly. We have a load of shite on the books on high wages and long contracts that nobody wants. Isaac Hayden ffs - We have had no youth setup to help feed the PSR beast like Chelsea etc do. After years of underinvestment we have had a bit of wiggle room to spalsh a bit of money. If there was one think about Ashley, he ran a tight ship Looking back, Amanda did a super job but have a niggling thought that she may have overstretched a little in terms of finances hence why we were where we were in June. We have had the double edged sword of a fantastic season under Eddie to get us to CL. Id rather have us build slowly over 5 years rather than do a Leicester City. I think like a manager, Eales needs a season to prove himself out on his own. They seem to be building a proper management team, still remember when Charnley was doing the job of Eales, Stavely, Bunce, Mitchell and Kathy the tea lady. Aye its been a shit window but hoping the financial foundations are in place. Its delicate though as we dont want to lose Bruno etc 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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