RobElliott 1474 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, OTF said: Well this is embarrassing. I've posted just about the same thing as CN at the same time. Our thoughts may have touched and I may be contaminated. Smoke and mirrors, it now makes sense that you are the chicken nonce in disguise 🥸 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21814 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, toonotl said: I wish I had Gloomy's level of confidence. Of course, there is a big chance that's it's all smoke and mirrors. For instance, perhaps it's designed to generate leverage in the Minteh deal to show that we're "prepared" to sell someone else to clear the PSR hurdle if necessary thereby convincing Everton to drop their price on DCL. It's possible. I dunno. I know that it's certainly not good for us all sitting in the dark with a story every few hours about one of our key players leaving. Like Gemmers said, we sell one of Isak, Gordon or Bruno and that's a big chance we're fucked for being competitive for 4th and CL football anyway. I'd take the points penalty. Then concentrate on the political game to articulate exactly how anti-competitive these rules are for developing teams. the counter point to that is if we sell someone for £100m we get to splash the cash in the remainder of the window. I’d like to think the club will find a more creative solution and this is all noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7250 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, RobElliott said: Smoke and mirrors, it now makes sense that you are the chicken nonce in disguise 🥸 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44410 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I mean half an hour later he's posted this, so basically take no comfort from that last tweet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19911 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I mean half an hour later he's posted this, so basically take no comfort from that last tweet. Not selling isak or Gordon. What about wor Bruno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44410 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: I think it’s tactical. It’s so nonsensical - the idea that the richest owners in world football are forced to sell the best player to a league rival. It’s too ridiculous to take seriously. I’ll be appalled if it’s true. I think it’s almost certainly bullshit story designed to highlight how pathetic these rules are I don't understand why you think that "it's too ridiculous to take seriously". The rules are ridiculous, but they ARE the rules, and it's widely accepted that we are currently in breach of them and need to sell to fix that. "Look how hard we worked to comply, but we just couldn't get a deal sorted" is not going to work as an excuse. If they allow it once, the last week in June will just become a period where all of the clubs in PSR bother frantically "enter into negotiations", only to throw their hands up on 1st July and cry "Dammit!.... but at least we tried!" We're in bother. We're gonna have to sell someone to get out of it, or we're gonna take a points deduction. Telling yourself otherwise is daft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44410 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 What Gloom thinks people from Saudi look like. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7250 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 7 minutes ago, Gemmill said: We're in bother. We're gonna have to sell someone to get out of it, or we're gonna take a points deduction. Telling yourself otherwise is daft. What would the expected points deduction be? Forest were docked four points for being £34.5m over. I've heard figures from £20-60m pounds touted as our current discrepancy. A 2-7 point deduction would be more palatable than losing Isak/Bruno/Gordon. I'm slightly suprised that Tonali hasn't been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44410 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Making a profit on Tonali would be the issue, after the season he's just had. That's why he isn't getting mentioned. I think it would be around 6 points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7250 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Making a profit on Tonali would be the issue, after the season he's just had. That's why he isn't getting mentioned. I think it would be around 6 points deduction. You're probably right. We bought him for a bit under £60m on a 5 year contract so by my reckoning it would have to be above £48m to be considered profit. There would also be the benefit next season of the reduced wages which of course does nothing for our immediate issue, but the thing with Tonali is we wouldn't miss what we never really had. The emergence of Miley opens this up as a more palatable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21814 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 38 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I don't understand why you think that "it's too ridiculous to take seriously". The rules are ridiculous, but they ARE the rules, and it's widely accepted that we are currently in breach of them and need to sell to fix that. "Look how hard we worked to comply, but we just couldn't get a deal sorted" is not going to work as an excuse. If they allow it once, the last week in June will just become a period where all of the clubs in PSR bother frantically "enter into negotiations", only to throw their hands up on 1st July and cry "Dammit!.... but at least we tried!" We're in bother. We're gonna have to sell someone to get out of it, or we're gonna take a points deduction. Telling yourself otherwise is daft. I think we will sell a player or two before the end of the June cut off but there’s more chance of your Everton prediction coming in than us selling one of the Crown Jewels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just do a Man City and cook the books then deal with the consequences ten years down the line. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Also is there any word on the outcome of the Man City v PL case on related party transactions? Just sign a new tractor partner with a £20m signing on bonus and we’re cushty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9116 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: They can get fucked. If that happens the Oil Cunts should be taking the FA Prem or whoever to court. It's a joke. it's been pissing me off for a little while now how we're seemingly hell bent on being the nice guys. we've even voted in favour of stuff which appears counterproductive. enough of this bollocks, get in to them and fuck them up, sell no fucker, buy who we fucking like, announce the biggest stadium sponsorship the world has ever seen.... etc etc. then bankrupt the premier league with its legal fees. won't be happy me till richard masters' head is stuck on a spike outside the strawberry, the corrupt, smarmy, greasy tory cunt. 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21814 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 The Elanga/Anderson swap with forest makes perfect sense as does the DCL/ Minteh swap - clubs getting stiffed by the rules working together to navigate them. Selling the players the Saudis want to build the team around to (in the chairman’s words) take us to number one makes zero sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2956 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 9 minutes ago, ewerk said: Just do a Man City and cook the books then deal with the consequences ten years down the line. London Blue arriving to correct the record in 10, 9, 8 ... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego21 2135 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) I wouldn't part with Anderson. He has many virtues, a lot of potential, he is very young, he is academy player (and that is good both for the locker room and to comply with the registration rules in Europe in the future). He does not have enough value today to sell him and achieve salary margin. If I had to sell players, I would undoubtedly go more towards Almirón or Willock. Even Barnes, if we take into account that he is a very good player, but that he plays the same position as Gordon. Edited June 29 by Diego21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21814 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, Diego21 said: I wouldn't part with Anderson. He has many virtues, a lot of potential, he is very young, he is Geordie (and that is good both for the locker room and to comply with the registration rules in Europe in the future). He does not have enough value today to sell him and achieve salary margin. If I had to sell players, I would undoubtedly go more towards Almirón or Willock. Even Barnes, if we take into account that he is a very good player, but that he plays the same position as Gordon. I’d rather keep Anderson and Minteh too but it looks like we’re going to be stiffed by these rules and you can only sell players people want to buy. As long as it isn’t one of Bruno, Isak or Gordon I think we’re going to have to suck it up. Is rarher not sell willock either but if a £30-40m bid came in (unlikely after an injury-hit season) you’d have to consider it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32756 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 50 minutes ago, Gemmill said: What Gloom thinks people from Saudi look like. The girl is a top legal expert in this scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2956 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) Barnes is a recent purchase. Same story with Tonali. Selling Barnes doesn't represent a very good return in terms of PSR. Anderson is pure profit given he's a youth product*. *from the academy I meant. Edited June 29 by toonotl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego21 2135 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, toonotl said: Barnes is a recent purchase. Same story with Tonali. Selling Barnes doesn't represent a very good return in terms of PSR. Anderson is pure profit given he's a youth product*. *from the academy I meant. If the business is to exchange it with Elanga, you wouldn't gain anything, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2956 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, Diego21 said: If the business is to exchange it with Elanga, you wouldn't gain anything, right? The exchange would come with a nominal exchange of money. So in essence one player goes each way for 25mill. Clearing both our PSR debts in the process. This seems to be the tactic to look around for clubs willing to do a swap for players of similar value to dodge the PSR crap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3817 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I wouldn’t trust football journalists to tell me what colour the sky is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6533 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I would not be happy with that deal. Elanga is no improvement over Almiron. I suppose it will save us 6 points though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6533 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 We are sailing close to the wind to get any deal done before end of 30th June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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