Transfers, 2024-25 season

[Dr Gloom 24038]

  On 03/01/2024 at 17:13, Isegrim said:

They would because it would change the terms they agreed would be fair value (for them not for us).

 

We are in no position to bend the rules. But I will not call it being unfortunate because the joy of us shoving their attempts to keep us small into their face by working our way up will be really worth it.

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we’ve only done the shirt sponsor and kit supplier and a few minor deals so far though. There are stadium naming rights, training ground sponsors, all sorts of ways to funnel extra revenue in. Other clubs do it. Why can’t we? And why not get two of the best from the Saudi league? I think we’ve played it very very safe so far. The “big six” don’t own the league and cracks formed recently when the vote on feeder clubs didn’t go through.

[Isegrim 10659]

  On 03/01/2024 at 17:54, Dr Gloom said:

we’ve only done the shirt sponsor and kit supplier and a few minor deals so far though. There are stadium naming rights, training ground sponsors, all sorts of ways to funnel extra revenue in. Other clubs do it. Why can’t we? And why not get two of the best from the Saudi league? I think we’ve played it very very safe so far. The “big six” don’t own the league and cracks formed recently when the vote on feeder clubs didn’t go through.

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Yes, but you were suggesting getting extra money from Sela who already are the shirt sponsor. The regulations certainly aren’t fair and we should look (and I am certain the owners do) how to bend them as far as possible. But becoming unreasonable would see us getting into serious bother  not being worth it.

I see people are getting unhappy how things worked out in recent weeks but we shouldn’t lower ourselves to a level where we are just blindly looking for success whatever the costs.

[ewerk 33719]

  On 03/01/2024 at 17:33, Diego21 said:

But Ewerk, I think the 7m loan was in summer, isn't it?

 

I mean, I guess City ask 3'5n now in winter.

 

PS; Surely, the most difficult thing to accept would be that City wants us to pay almost their entire fee, which must be very high.

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The £7m fee is reported as being as being what they wanted just before Christmas so it won’t have halved since then.

 

And while amortisation is a factor there’s no point in having a player in your squad who isn’t playing and is too expensive for anyone to loan. Plus he’s bound to be costing them at least £7m a year in wages.

[Dr Gloom 24038]

  On 03/01/2024 at 18:43, Isegrim said:

Yes, but you were suggesting getting extra money from Sela who already are the shirt sponsor. The regulations certainly aren’t fair and we should look (and I am certain the owners do) how to bend them as far as possible. But becoming unreasonable would see us getting into serious bother  not being worth it.

I see people are getting unhappy how things worked out in recent weeks but we shouldn’t lower ourselves to a level where we are just blindly looking for success whatever the costs.

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I guess I’m not that principled. Other clubs appear to be able to take the piss and avoid punishment. So far we have toed the line. I think we could get away with pushing it more than we have so far. More money from Sela - or another Saudi company - for the naming rights seems like low hanging fruit. 

[spongebob toonpants 4462]

I'm all for sponsoring the fuck out of everything, all the stands separately along with the ground and the training ground and the toilets, but I wouldn't be that surprised to see a couple of signings flying completely under the radar. That's what's happened every other transfer window

[Holden McGroin 7800]

  On 03/01/2024 at 19:42, spongebob toonpants said:

I'm all for sponsoring the fuck out of everything, all the stands separately along with the ground and the training ground and the toilets, but I wouldn't be that surprised to see a couple of signings flying completely under the radar. That's what's happened every other transfer window

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orrrr….we might not just sign anyone at all.

[ewerk 33719]

Everton were getting £12m a year for Usmanov for sponsoring their training ground and £30m for ‘naming rights’ for the new ground. We could definitely be a bit more creative than we are being.

[aimaad22 4872]

  On 03/01/2024 at 19:45, ewerk said:

Everton were getting £12m a year for Usmanov for sponsoring their training ground and £30m for ‘naming rights’ for the new ground. We could definitely be a bit more creative than we are being.

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PIF own/control some of the most complex entities on the planet. There's probably a bunch of long term financial models and business plans that will have been put in place for NUFC right down to 5-10 year cashflow projections.

 

My guess is there's a particular point in time the management feel certain things have to be put in place to get the maximum benefit out of them, perhaps aligned withg the stage of progress/evolution the club is in. 

 

I could be wrong, but something like that seems more likely to me than them simply not knowing how or being able to immediately raise all revenue streams when every other club is doing it. 

[Diego21 2192]

  On 03/01/2024 at 19:04, ewerk said:

The £7m fee is reported as being as being what they wanted just before Christmas so it won’t have halved since then.

 

And while amortisation is a factor there’s no point in having a player in your squad who isn’t playing and is too expensive for anyone to loan. Plus he’s bound to be costing them at least £7m a year in wages.

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I had misunderstood.

Definitely, for that price we should try to look at other options.

Thank you

Edited January 4, 2024 by Diego21

[Alex 37407]

The fair market value only applies to related parties. So I wonder if there’s any scope for favours being called in. Maybe a £100m stadium sponsorship deal with the Yemeni tourist board. 

[Dazzler 12345]

  On 04/01/2024 at 10:05, Alex said:

The fair market value only applies to related parties. So I wonder if there’s any scope for favours being called in. Maybe a £100m stadium sponsorship deal with the Yemeni tourist board. 

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There's only the one street in Yemen

[Howay 12496]

The plane nonces are back  

 

 

 

[Dazzler 12345]

Incredible how nobs come out of the woodwork during transfer windows. Sean Casey will be along shortly with his "as I said" bullshit.

[wykikitoon 23459]

  On 04/01/2024 at 12:18, Howay said:

The plane nonces are back  

 

 

 

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Plane Nonce  

[Holden McGroin 7800]

  On 04/01/2024 at 12:28, Dazzler said:

Incredible how nobs come out of the woodwork during transfer windows. Sean Casey will be along shortly with his "as I said" bullshit.

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I had a look over his X feed last night. He reckons KP is a done deal. That wasn’t the most shocking thing though. He charges £300 for a podcast appearance. 

[Dazzler 12345]

  On 04/01/2024 at 13:35, Holden McGroin said:

I had a look over his X feed last night. He reckons KP is a done deal. That wasn’t the most shocking thing though. He charges £300 for a podcast appearance. 

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I swear the kid is a parody account and has just gone too deep down the rabbit hole.

[RobElliott 1885]

  On 04/01/2024 at 13:35, Holden McGroin said:

I had a look over his X feed last night. He reckons KP is a done deal. That wasn’t the most shocking thing though. He charges £300 for a podcast appearance. 

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Also charges £5 for a handjob... so a friend tells me

Edited January 4, 2024 by RobElliott

[Dr Gloom 24038]

  On 04/01/2024 at 13:35, Holden McGroin said:

I had a look over his X feed last night. He reckons KP is a done deal. That wasn’t the most shocking thing though. He pays £300 to appear on a podcast. 

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fyp

[Dazzler 12345]

An awful lot of talk about someone activating Bruno's release clause in Jan, namely PSG. Howe has said no in his presser, and he wants to keep him here but the rumours are we're secretly open to it as it'll allow us a lot more freedom to strengthen the squad.

[wykikitoon 23459]

I cant see him leaving in Jan

[Dr Gloom 24038]

Bruno has been one of the most important signings since the takeover along with trippier and Botman and arguably our most important player because we don’t win games when he doesn’t start. He was a steal at £35m. £100m would give us the FFP headroom to do a Villa style rebuild after they sold Grealish but it would leave a huge hole to fill. You don’t tend to get players of Bruno’s quality for the price we paid for him. I hope he stays and they’re able to use crafty commercial deals to increase the transfer budget instead of selling our star player 

[Holden McGroin 7800]

  On 05/01/2024 at 15:52, wykikitoon said:

I cant see him leaving in Jan

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I thought it couldn’t be activated until the summer?

[wykikitoon 23459]

  On 05/01/2024 at 16:22, Holden McGroin said:

I thought it couldn’t be activated until the summer?

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I hope that's the case because like Gloomy said he's so important for us 

[Holden McGroin 7800]

  On 05/01/2024 at 17:10, wykikitoon said:

I hope that's the case because like Gloomy said he's so important for us 

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having said I think we would just accept the £100m now anyway, especially if we go out the FA Cup in Jan.

Edited January 5, 2024 by Holden McGroin

[ewerk 33719]

Do we already have Bruno’s replacement in Tonali?