Craig 6581 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) If I'm truly honest, I think we've been extremely lucky at this stage of the project to capture the likes of Trippier, Bruno & Botman. The problem is, it's set a level of expectation with many in our fan base but the reality is we've attracted them to a mid-table club that's as far away from London as you can get in the PL and we've done so without the prospect of European football. To all the numbskulls out there this summer moaning, they instead ought to be commending the owners for getting them in rather than complaining we won't give into the extortionate demands of overly greedy players and agents. I'm fairly convinced we will sign more players before the window closes and it'll be frustrating if we don't, but even if that does come to be, we need to maintain some perspective. It certainly won't have been a case that we can question the effort to sign players and we do need to keep mindful of the excellent progress we have made in a relatively short space of time. The likes of Botman and Bruno will expect CL football and if we continue on the same trajectory, they will get it with us. Edited August 19, 2022 by Craig 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 10690 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Craig said: If I'm truly honest, I think we've been extremely lucky at this stage of the project to capture the likes of Trippier, Bruno & Botman. The problem is, it's set a level of expectation with many in our fan base but the reality is we've attracted them to a mid-table club that's as far away from London as you can get in the PL and we've done so without the prospect of European football. To all the numbskulls out there this summer moaning, they instead ought to be commending the owners for getting them in rather than complaining we won't give into the extortionate demands of overly greedy players and agents. I'm fairly convinced we will sign more players before the window closes and it'll be frustrating if we don't, but even if that does come to be, we need to maintain some perspective. It certainly won't have been a case that we can question the effort to sign players and we do need to keep mindful of the excellent progress we have made in a relatively short space of time. The likes of Botman and Bruno will expect CL football and if we continue on the same trajectory, they will get it with us. And 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19312 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Add to that we have got Ashworth and Eales. Plus some bairns and IIRC a couple of coaching / U18s coaches. The owners are still in the very early stages of what is going to be a long term project. It's going to be a great ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6581 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Just now, wykikitoon said: Add to that we have got Ashworth and Eales. Plus some bairns and IIRC a couple of coaching / U18s coaches. The owners are still in the very early stages of what is going to be a long term project. It's going to be a great ride. The best signing we made this summer year by a country mile is Dan Ashworth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1180 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Craig said: There's 3 key drivers for why decent players will want to join a particular club Wages To play in a specific competition (i.e. champions league) To play their part in building a project We've made it clear, and rightly so that we're not going to pay over the odds for any mercenaries which rules out the first point. I think it's probably the reason why we (and West Ham for that matter) walked away from signing Lingard. We're not currently in a position to offer the second point, which leaves us with the third. And the players that fall into that bracket are somewhat niche. They're basically committing themselves to a project for the medium to long term which means they're less likely to be there to reap the benefits of it. Look at Trippier for instance - soon to be 32. If we do get to the levels we aspire to then he's not likely to be still playing for us when we do. Takes a very selfless individual to commit to that endeavour. There'll be plenty of players 'tripping over themselves to join the club', but these are neither the type of players we want, nor need. Agree mostly with that but I wouldn't say we are looking for selfless individuals. Theyll come for the right package. If they're older professionals like Trips it'll be starting place, big payday and for him chance to raise his family not too far from the rest of his family. For Bruno and Botman it's a chance to play in the PL, top wages and potential of Europe in 12 months. We have to commit players to the project now to be able to realise those European ambitions short term as that is what raises the club profile to overseas players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 10690 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 minute ago, wykikitoon said: Add to that we have got Ashworth and Eales. Plus some bairns and IIRC a couple of coaching / U18s coaches. The owners are still in the very early stages of what is going to be a long term project. It's going to be a great ride. Okay, and 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2311 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Craig said: There's 3 key drivers for why decent players will want to join a particular club Wages To play in a specific competition (i.e. champions league) To play their part in building a project We've made it clear, and rightly so that we're not going to pay over the odds for any mercenaries which rules out the first point. I think it's probably the reason why we (and West Ham for that matter) walked away from signing Lingard. We're not currently in a position to offer the second point, which leaves us with the third. And the players that fall into that bracket are somewhat niche. They're basically committing themselves to a project for the medium to long term which means they're less likely to be there to reap the benefits of it. Look at Trippier for instance - soon to be 32. If we do get to the levels we aspire to then he's not likely to be still playing for us when we do. Takes a very selfless individual to commit to that endeavour. There'll be plenty of players 'tripping over themselves to join the club', but these are neither the type of players we want, nor need. So basically we need the football equivalent of Mother Theresa, minus the fetish for poverty and human suffering 😉👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Polarboy 2311 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: David Kent? Hope he's right of course. Edited August 19, 2022 by Polarboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3235 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42647 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 As twitter handles go DK_Reports has got a whiff of Gareth Keenan Investigates about it, but let's hope he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2311 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Carlo Ancelotti proves that Edu's £44m transfer 'failure' could be Arsenal blessing in disguise - football.london Maximum copium 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42647 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Polarboy said: Carlo Ancelotti proves that Edu's £44m transfer 'failure' could be Arsenal blessing in disguise - football.london Maximum copium 😂 How the fuck does us selling Bruno to Real Madrid help Arsenal like? Losing Bruno would be a massive blow mind. I think he's quite a bit better than we could have expected to get at this stage in the project, so I'm not sure how you replace him in the short term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2311 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gemmill said: How the fuck does us selling Bruno to Real Madrid help Arsenal like? Losing Bruno would be a massive blow mind. I think he's quite a bit better than we could have expected to get at this stage in the project, so I'm not sure how you replace him in the short term. The logic from the article is that Arsenal are fortunate that they didn't buy a good player, because good players attract the interest of big clubs. It's basically the definition of a loser mentality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6822 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: If be chuffed if we ended up with Pedro and Pulisic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 861 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 At this point I'd be happy with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42647 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 If we get these two in relatively short order, any mad shit we can pull off on Deadline Day would just be gravy. An audacious swoop for Paqueta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6581 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 I still think Paqueta might be a deal that's currently in progress. Put it this way I wouldn't be too surprised to see a breaking news yellow bar on SSN on 1st September stating we've agreed to purchase him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42647 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, Craig said: I still think Paqueta might be a deal that's currently in progress. Put it this way I wouldn't be too surprised to see a breaking news yellow bar on SSN on 1st September stating we've agreed to purchase him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6822 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Fucking Paqueta man Not been linked with him all Summer other than by Sean Casey and the like. We are arguing the toss over £5mil and trying to stagger payments for the players we are interested in, yet people think we are going to pull £40-50mil out of our arse on deadline day for Paqueta! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21302 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Fucking Paqueta man Not been linked with him all Summer other than by Sean Casey and the like. We are arguing the toss over £5mil and trying to stagger payments for the players we are interested in, yet people think we are going to pull £40-50mil out of our arse on deadline day for Paqueta! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6581 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Fucking Paqueta man Not been linked with him all Summer other than by Sean Casey and the like. We are arguing the toss over £5mil and trying to stagger payments for the players we are interested in, yet people think we are going to pull £40-50mil out of our arse on deadline day for Paqueta! What, so we only sign players we're linked with now? We weren't linked with Nick Pope until 24hrs before he signed. As for 'arguing the toss over £5m' .... where officially have the club ever stated that's the case? I'm not saying Paqueta is DEFINITELY going to happen, I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen. No science to back it up, just a sense. In contrast, your absolute insistence that it won't happen will look absolutely fucking stupid if it does come to pass in the next two weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBass 2561 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 So we don't expect to hear a "I told you so" from you in the unlikely event of it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42647 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Fucking Paqueta man Not been linked with him all Summer other than by Sean Casey and the like. We are arguing the toss over £5mil and trying to stagger payments for the players we are interested in, yet people think we are going to pull £40-50mil out of our arse on deadline day for Paqueta! Zip it fannyface! Bruno came like a bolt out of the blue last window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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