thebrokendoll 9188 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Fish said: Exactly. Because of the nature of contemporary football, Howe cannot be as influential on the club, the city as Keegan was. That's not a criticism of Howe. As an aside, neither am I convinced Howe has the ability to deliver the kind of actual success to be as transformative as Keegan was, in purely footballing terms. will be interesting next season, assuming we stay up. moyes has been pretty transformative at west ham in a 2 year period and in an era where we're told such things shouldn't be feasible and without the funds howe could have at his disposal. only takes a couple of players to transform a team, as robson proved with bellamy and robert. i see a title challenge next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, thebrokendoll said: will be interesting next season, assuming we stay up. moyes has been pretty transformative at west ham in a 2 year period and in an era where we're told such things shouldn't be feasible and without the funds howe could have at his disposal. only takes a couple of players to transform a team, as robson proved with bellamy and robert. i see a title challenge next year. As did Keegan with Venison, Beresford & Bracewell in 92. The transformation was massive, and immediate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10838 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Craig said: It's your second point I have issue with. I believe he does have the potential. Whether that potential is realised remains to be seen. I think he's a far better team manager than most people give him credit for. I emphasise the point team manager. Keegan to me was a club manager, as too were the likes of Bobby Robson and, looking beyond NUFC, Graham Taylor also. Football is totally different to the days when they were at their prime though. The structure at the club will have Dan Ashworth overseeing all footballing matters with Howe being entirely focused on the men's first team. That won't lessen the impact of what Howe will be able to deliver, it just allows him to do so without distraction from elsewhere. Even Keegan got things wrong. The disbanding of our reserve team was an ultimately shit decision and set us back years in terms of youth development. Happy to be proven wrong on Howe's potential, but I think he has a level that the owners will want to blow past. I think he's a very good manager, certainly capable of taking a struggling side, to comfortable midtable, playing good football on the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10838 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: will be interesting next season, assuming we stay up. moyes has been pretty transformative at west ham in a 2 year period and in an era where we're told such things shouldn't be feasible and without the funds howe could have at his disposal. only takes a couple of players to transform a team, as robson proved with bellamy and robert. i see a title challenge next year. True enough. I'd love to see the kind of football Howe can get us playing with the kind of players that'll now be available to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3992 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, The Fish said: Happy to be proven wrong on Howe's potential, but I think he has a level that the owners will want to blow past That's the mindset we will have to get used to as fans. Either he will be brilliant or we will trade up. It's genuinely a win win 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13856 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I’d say, as long as Howe has us steadily climbing the table over the next few years while Ashworth sorts the dreck out at every other level, he’ll be comfortable in his job for a while yet. It’ll only be when the club should convincingly be challenging for Europe and having cup runs that the real pressure on him will kick in and that’s when you can start judging him alongside the likes of Keegan and Robson who delivered consistent quality at the top end. For now, Howe looks a world above shite like McClaren, Bruce and Carver and that’s what matters for us in the short term. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13856 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 FWIW, I think Howe is a good coach and he’s definitely capable of finding a system that has a good balance and allows his best players to see a lot of the ball and plays to their strengths. I tend to think top class managers have it in their locker to be reactive in big games and, on a broader scale, consistently build squads through the peaks and transitions when they’re at clubs for a while. Howe certainly did that at Bournemouth (until they hit their ceiling at the end) and only time will tell if he can manage that here and build a squad that’s capable of getting high up. He certainly has the budget for it but you so often see managers get given money and spunk it on shite because they can’t think past mediocrity. Bruno and Trippier are a good start but the summer should be massively transformative if his ambition for the playing side matches the owners. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42352 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I’ve just had a massive shit, one-wipe special too. What’ve I missed ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: I’ve just had a massive shit, one-wipe special too. What’ve I missed ? Stand or sit wipe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9188 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: I’ve just had a massive shit, one-wipe special too. What’ve I missed ? far be it from me to be a tell tale, but.... fish reckons you know nowt about the history of our club. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42352 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: far be it from me to be a tell tale, but.... fish reckons you know nowt about the history of our club. If it was anyone else I’d be mildly irked, but Podcast Percy can lick my taint. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9188 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: If it was anyone else I’d be mildly irked, but Podcast Percy can lick my taint. oh...... and I think wykikitoon might fancy you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42352 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: oh...... and I think wykikitoon might fancy you. He can lick my taint too, if he’s up for it? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15516 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 taint what you lick, it's the way that you lick it 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11253 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 15 hours ago, The Fish said: If his name was Eduardo Quão I'd be keen. Ainda uma boceta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11253 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Meenzer said: taint what you lick, it's the way that you lick it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20109 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 hours ago, thebrokendoll said: oh...... and I think wykikitoon might fancy you. Who doesn't? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10838 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 6 hours ago, RobinRobin said: Ainda uma boceta? I will fuck you up in any language you choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Not interested in the critisism of the playing style this season. I want to wait until Eddie Howe gets the players he wants in the Summer before passing judgement. I think he will manager for a long time to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 There is an overanylising no idea element that supports every club. Then there are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ken said: There is an overanylising no idea element that supports every club. Then there are idiots. Which camp are you putting Fish in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9376 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, Craig said: Which camp are you putting Fish in? Hybrid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Hybrid ? Non-binary ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10838 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 This must be how Julius Caesar felt. Here I am, building a dry sheet empire, only for ambitious arseholes to turn on me. I'm expecting Gemmil to Marc Antony this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Craig said: Which camp are you putting Fish in? El doble de tonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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