Eddie Howe

[Dazzler 12167]

tbf that shite physio wanted Botman to get surgery on his knee and as time is going on, it's looking like he was probably right. That decision seems to be the measuring stick a lot of our fans have used to determine his shitness. 

 

He may well be a shite physio on top of this though

[PaddockLad 19307]

This is where the lack of a DoF will trip us up.. if Howe gets the whip hand on what players come in this summer and he gets sacked in November then that is a massive problem..

[PaddockLad 19307]

2 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

tbf that shite physio wanted Botman to get surgery on his knee and as time is going on, it's looking like he was probably right. That decision seems to be the measuring stick a lot of our fans have used to determine his shitness. 

 

He may well be a shite physio on top of this though

I think there was or is an overall policy to avoid invasive surgery as much as possible… 

[Isegrim 10613]

Some people should really get a grip. What they want isn’t a different manager but a magician. Appointing the ideal and flawless manager is a rather difficult if not almost impossible task. For every Guardiola and Klopp there dozens of ten Hags, Pochettinos etc. Big names in the wrong environment can be pretty damaging as well.

 

 I can’t see a manager who would really be a guaranteed upgrade on Howe who has actually done a remarkable job so far overall. Speaking about the need to replace him is utter nonsense imho.

[Holden McGroin 7743]

3 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

Some people should really get a grip. What they want isn’t a different manager but a magician. Appointing the ideal and flawless manager is a rather difficult if not almost impossible task. For every Guardiola and Klopp there dozens of ten Hags, Pochettinos etc. Big names in the wrong environment can be pretty damaging as well.

 

 I can’t see a manager who would really be a guaranteed upgrade on Howe who has actually done a remarkable job so far overall. Speaking about the need to replace him is utter nonsense imho.

 

Aye, Guardiola and Klopp took 2-3 seasons to get their own players and style in place. We are hamstrung by PSR now as well.

 

The magic he sprinkled on Bruce players has worn off now which is mainly down to them not being able to run and tackle harder then the other team so they are being found out technically.

 

The one thing that does seem to be missing this season is our nastiness. I don't recall any shithousing this year. We are very passive.

 

 

 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4295]

If we can get a team where Longstaff and Almiron aren’t part of the first team, get Botman back with a better lb and maybe someone to understudy Schar then we will be good to go next season 

[Dazzler 12167]

3 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

Aye, Guardiola and Klopp took 2-3 seasons to get their own players and style in place. We are hamstrung by PSR now as well.

 

The magic he sprinkled on Bruce players has worn off now which is mainly down to them not being able to run and tackle harder then the other team so they are being found out technically.

 

The one thing that does seem to be missing this season is our nastiness. I don't recall any shithousing this year. We are very passive.

 

 

 

 

Probably due to the rule changes brought in (largely) because of our shit housing last year  

[PaddockLad 19307]

10 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

Some people should really get a grip. What they want isn’t a different manager but a magician. Appointing the ideal and flawless manager is a rather difficult if not almost impossible task. For every Guardiola and Klopp there dozens of ten Hags, Pochettinos etc. Big names in the wrong environment can be pretty damaging as well.

 

 I can’t see a manager who would really be a guaranteed upgrade on Howe who has actually done a remarkable job so far overall. Speaking about the need to replace him is utter nonsense imho.

I can agree with that as a general view but there are some specific things Howe is responsible for. Why have we persisted with trying to play the high pressing game this season with mostly a knackered bare 11 supplemented by players half fit returning from injury? It doesn’t make any sense to me and that is entirely down to him. A glimpse v Wolves that playing on the break more could yield success but that was jettisoned last night….

[Ayatollah Hermione 14774]

Howe is setting them up the way he wants to go and the ones that can’t keep up will be gone, I reckon

[Gemmill 51094]

21 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

Some people should really get a grip. What they want isn’t a different manager but a magician. Appointing the ideal and flawless manager is a rather difficult if not almost impossible task. For every Guardiola and Klopp there dozens of ten Hags, Pochettinos etc. Big names in the wrong environment can be pretty damaging as well.

 

 I can’t see a manager who would really be a guaranteed upgrade on Howe who has actually done a remarkable job so far overall. Speaking about the need to replace him is utter nonsense imho.

 

 

Totally agree with this. I think expectations have got all fucked up because of the success of last season.

 

All any of us should expect at this stage is for regular progress to be made at each transfer window, within the ridiculous confines of FFP, and for continuous investment to be made on the NON-FFP infrastructure stuff.

 

That means that, at a zoomed out level, you see progress for the first team WITH BUMPS ALONG THE WAY, which we've had loads of those season. It's gonna be a really slow process though. And slow requires patience. From both fans and the owner. With fucking EVERYTHING. Fans turning on the players, the manager, the owners at this stage is probably inevitable cos people are thick arseholes, but everyone needs to fucking cool it and realise that you're not gonna turn this around in a matter of two years.

 

It took Man City four years or something and they had none of the financial constraints we're operating under.

 

If we start the revolving door with the manager now, I guarantee you it won't stop with Howe's replacement.

 

People saw CL qualification last year and they thought that was the speed of growth they could expect from that point on. We all got carried away, myself included, thinking it was repeatable straight away. It's not and it was totally unreasonable to think like that.

 

We ARE making progress and we'll do it again this summer. But it's gonna be slow as fuck for a while yet.

 

[ewerk 33609]

54 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

Personally, I cant wait to see what a First XI and bench full of Eddie players looks like, the final product. 

 

That's the dream, isn't it?

 

[Holden McGroin 7743]

Where the fuck is Eddie The Eagle?

[ackas 311]

7 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

Where the fuck is Eddie The Eagle?

 

Disallowed as he's not a real Eddie...

[Holden McGroin 7743]

Who is that Mouth of The Tyne guy on Twitter who is polluting my feed. Absolute moron.

[MrBass 3068]

44 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

Where the fuck is Eddie The Eagle?

 

...and Eddie Hall, he'd be nailed on for a GK spot.

 

 

[Alex 37243]

1 hour ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Howe is setting them up the way he wants to go and the ones that can’t keep up will be gone, I reckon

I think there’s something to that. But I also think you need to be pragmatic. If you don’t deliver in the here and now you’ll get the push eventually. There’s also the point about adaptability. Which relates to HMHM’s comments about how the game continually moves on. In any case, I think unless you’re at Man City / Liverpool / Real Madrid levels then you need to shape the way you play according to your opponents at times. 

[Alex 37243]

46 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

Who is that Mouth of The Tyne guy on Twitter who is polluting my feed. Absolute moron.

Just take the piss out of him and he’ll block you. He’s incredibly thin-skinned. As well as being an absolute gob shite chancer playing at ITK. 

[Alex 37243]

1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said:

Where the fuck is Eddie The Eagle?

Super sub 

[Renton 24175]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

Totally agree with this. I think expectations have got all fucked up because of the success of last season.

 

All any of us should expect at this stage is for regular progress to be made at each transfer window, within the ridiculous confines of FFP, and for continuous investment to be made on the NON-FFP infrastructure stuff.

 

That means that, at a zoomed out level, you see progress for the first team WITH BUMPS ALONG THE WAY, which we've had loads of those season. It's gonna be a really slow process though. And slow requires patience. From both fans and the owner. With fucking EVERYTHING. Fans turning on the players, the manager, the owners at this stage is probably inevitable cos people are thick arseholes, but everyone needs to fucking cool it and realise that you're not gonna turn this around in a matter of two years.

 

It took Man City four years or something and they had none of the financial constraints we're operating under.

 

If we start the revolving door with the manager now, I guarantee you it won't stop with Howe's replacement.

 

People saw CL qualification last year and they thought that was the speed of growth they could expect from that point on. We all got carried away, myself included, thinking it was repeatable straight away. It's not and it was totally unreasonable to think like that.

 

We ARE making progress and we'll do it again this summer. But it's gonna be slow as fuck for a while yet.

 

 

I agree with this and Isegrim's post entirely, except that I don't agree we all thought it was repeatable, a fall in league place was always expected by me and several others. We've had some bad luck this season undoubtedly. Insanely bad cup draws. Tonali. Injuries (although for me I don't think this is all luck). We've never had a chance to get into a rhythm, it's been stop start all years. Some noticeable highs, like Villa x2, Carabao cup run, Arsenal home. Some lows too, the worst for me being Forest at home. 

My biggest concern over Howe is his perceived lack of flexibility on how he sets us out or changes things within matches. And I agree we have lost our intensity and shithousing edge somewhere along the line. But given the luck we've had, I would give him at least the whole of next season before I would even question his position. Who else are we realistically going to get? Perhaps Howe needs some additional support, I'd be open to options, but to talk about replacing him is ridiculous. 

We're gonna lose on Saturday, so forget that. Hopefully we can pick it up from there onwards and do our best the remainder of the season - think he said yesterday that was the plan. Next season I am certain will be better. 

Edited March 12, 2024 by Renton

[Isegrim 10613]

2 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

I can agree with that as a general view but there are some specific things Howe is responsible for. Why have we persisted with trying to play the high pressing game this season with mostly a knackered bare 11 supplemented by players half fit returning from injury? It doesn’t make any sense to me and that is entirely down to him. A glimpse v Wolves that playing on the break more could yield success but that was jettisoned last night….

Howe obviously is neither flawless nor faultless. There are quite a few things I disagree with, especially his lack of rotation and substitutions. But overall I think he is still doing a terrific job and absolutely the right man currently. There is no need to look for greener gras tbh.

[Gemmill 51094]

Just to be clear, I was simply lumping myself in with the thickos to make them feel better about themselves.

 

OF COURSE I didn't think it was repeatable this season with all the extra games.

 

I didn't think it would hammer us as badly as it has, but then it wouldn't have had we not had the ridiculous set of injuries.

 

[wykikitoon 23285]

Wow wasn't expecting all this today! 

[RobElliott 1867]

Think Excel must be down  

[Dr Gloom 23941]

4 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

Personally, I cant wait to see what a First XI and bench full of Eddie players looks like, the final product. 

You don’t want to see 11 ASMs then

[Dr Gloom 23941]

Howe 100% deserves another season, whatever happens with the rest of this one. The summer window was one for the future, not the present, he wasn’t backed in the January window at all. He can only take these Mike Ashley era players so far. We all need to be patient.
 

I agree that Howe has made mistakes and is frustratingly stubborn tactically and loyal to certain players but pushing the panic button now is a pointless gamble.
 

Howe has shown he can improve players. We’re still in a much better place than we were two years ago when he took over, even if we have taken a step back after a massive leap forwards last season. Let’s see how he does after he’s been given the chance to properly build a squad equipped to play the sort of game he wants to.