The Fish 10662 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, thebrokendoll said: in fairness I don't think at any point MF was attempting a dissertation when comparing the 2 blokes, only referencing 'certain parellels' which most certainly exsist, albeit keegan started from a much lower base point. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19803 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, thebrokendoll said: in fairness I don't think at any point MF was attempting a dissertation when comparing the 2 blokes, only referencing 'certain parellels' which most certainly exsist, albeit keegan started from a much lower base point. Nah, he said he was Keegan. Simple as that. Eddie Howe is now Keegan. A young Keegan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19803 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, The Fish said: This is a strange backdown and apology, but I'll take it Wykiki. There's no backdown or apology. You're being argumentative because you seem to think people have said he's Keegan and can be compared to him now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, wykikitoon said: There's no backdown or apology. You're being argumentative because you seem to think people have said he's Keegan and can be compared to him now. Fist said he could be a Keegan figure. He can't. Now that that is cleared up, can we all just fucking move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9033 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Fish said: No. no what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Toonpack 9107 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Fish said: I think you need to re-re-re-re-re-read it. Fist suggested that Howe could be 'just as important' as Keegan. When no, no he can't. Keegan took the club from calamity to the very peak of the Premier League, attracting some wonderful players, playing unbelievable football, changing the whole feeling of the club. Howe has done well, but there's just no way he's be as transformative a figure as Keegan was. If Howe manages to win one solitary (proper) trophy, he'll have outdone KK. I hope he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44098 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, The Fish said: Sure, sure, how's that first marriage going? I got the divorce right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Fish said: No. Fucking hell Dave, calm the fuck down. You're gonna have a coronary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9033 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Toonpack said: If Howe manages to win one solitary (proper) trophy, he'll have outdone KK. I hope he does. nah. take more than a league cup for that. a lot more. well for me anyway. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19803 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, thebrokendoll said: nah. take more than a league cup for that. a lot more. well for me anyway. An FA Cup and competing for the league then you have to wonder where he will be in comparison. I don't think ANYONE is saying Howe is going to erase what KK means to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Craig said: Fucking hell Dave, calm the fuck down. You're gonna have a coronary! I'm fine. I SAID I'M FINE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Fish said: Fist said he could be a Keegan figure. He can't. Now that that is cleared up, can we all just fucking move on. OK I'll bite, why can't he be? Granted you cannot directly compare, but if Howe is the manager to deliver the first silverware to this club since 1969, he's going to be held in equally high esteem as Keegan, if not higher. That isn't in anyway derogatory towards Keegan, or his achievements in his spell here, no-one fails to recognise the impact he had. But to say no-one can match him is arrogant and absurd when you consider he didn't deliver a trophy in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9033 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, wykikitoon said: An FA Cup and competing for the league then you have to wonder where he will be in comparison. I don't think ANYONE is saying Howe is going to erase what KK means to us. no nor me. I think MF's post was very reasonable in pointing out parallels. I think fish has been reasonable in pointing out the different starting points. and I think you're doing a canny job at mediation! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 5151 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Surely only MF can say by what metric he is comparing Howe to Keegan, and therefore only MF can settle this (and he arguably did in his first post anyway). Howe could certainly become as important a figure to the club as Keegan though, he could be here for the next 20 years for all we know. Think of all the ups and downs, glories and failures, we could have in that time. That said, the same is true of any half decent manager who could join us. Whether any manager can mean as much to the fans as Keegan does given the fact that the world has simply changed since then, I don't know tbh, I reckon probably not.. but fist said "as important to the club" and I can see that being true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, Craig said: OK I'll bite, why can't he be? Granted you cannot directly compare, but if Howe is the manager to deliver the first silverware to this club since 1969, he's going to be held in equally high esteem as Keegan, if not higher. That isn't in anyway derogatory towards Keegan, or his achievements in his spell here, no-one fails to recognise the impact he had. But to say no-one can match him is arrogant and absurd when you consider he didn't deliver a trophy in that time. Because Keegan was the reason for the change, not Hall. Keegan had to push and pull Hall to get the money to buy the players that delivered the title challenge. He was the one pushing to repaint the training ground. Howe will not be the reason for the change, the owners will. Howe will be expected to shop in the £35m window, he's not going to forcing the owners to mortgage their house to afford another player. I've not said that nobody can match Keegan, I'm saying Howe won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21757 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 the big question surely is: were howe to win a trophy, would he leapfrog keegan to have a stand named after him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9033 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 aye. nowt wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, The Fish said: Because Keegan was the reason for the change, not Hall. Keegan had to push and pull Hall to get the money to buy the players that delivered the title challenge. He was the one pushing to repaint the training ground. Howe will not be the reason for the change, the owners will. Howe will be expected to shop in the £35m window, he's not going to forcing the owners to mortgage their house to afford another player. I've not said that nobody can match Keegan, I'm saying Howe won't. I agree with you whole heartedly that Keegan was the catalyst for the change back in '92. It was evidenced no clearer than his 'not like in the brochure' walkout after the Swindon game. We are talking about two completely different eras however. Keegan, as charismatic as he is, wouldn't in my opinion be able to exert the same level of influence as he could 30 years ago. So to directly compare them is unfair. Howe will have plenty of influence within his own remit. He will be reason for change because he will demand it, but in a totally different sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9107 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: the big question surely is: were howe to win a trophy, would he leapfrog keegan to have a stand named after him? Nope, it'd take more than one unless that one was the CL maybe. Even then, no-one gets a stand whilst they are still in the job, given Howe's so young, that conceivably (if he was our SAF) could be decades away. IF he was a great success but pissed off for England, he can do one, he shouldn't get even a celebratory tablecloth if that happens. Harvey's still in the queue for a stand ahead of KK to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Craig said: I agree with you whole heartedly that Keegan was the catalyst for the change back in '92. It was evidenced no clearer than his 'not like in the brochure' walkout after the Swindon game. We are talking about two completely different eras however. Keegan, as charismatic as he is, wouldn't in my opinion be able to exert the same level of influence as he could 30 years ago. So to directly compare them is unfair. Howe will have plenty of influence within his own remit. He will be reason for change because he will demand it, but in a totally different sense. Exactly. Because of the nature of contemporary football, Howe cannot be as influential on the club, the city as Keegan was. That's not a criticism of Howe. As an aside, neither am I convinced Howe has the ability to deliver the kind of actual success to be as transformative as Keegan was, in purely footballing terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44098 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Dave wants someone with a fancy name and a foreign accent. A ginger lad called Eddie is never gonna be enough. He wants a maverick. He doesn't want a grafter. In short, DAVE IS A CUNT. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Fish said: Exactly. Because of the nature of contemporary football, Howe cannot be as influential on the club, the city as Keegan was. That's not a criticism of Howe. As an aside, neither am I convinced Howe has the ability to deliver the kind of actual success to be as transformative as Keegan was, in purely footballing terms. It's your second point I have issue with. I believe he does have the potential. Whether that potential is realised remains to be seen. I think he's a far better team manager than most people give him credit for. I emphasise the point team manager. Keegan to me was a club manager, as too were the likes of Bobby Robson and, looking beyond NUFC, Graham Taylor also. Football is totally different to the days when they were at their prime though. The structure at the club will have Dan Ashworth overseeing all footballing matters with Howe being entirely focused on the men's first team. That won't lessen the impact of what Howe will be able to deliver, it just allows him to do so without distraction from elsewhere. Even Keegan got things wrong. The disbanding of our reserve team was an ultimately shit decision and set us back years in terms of youth development. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Dave wants someone with a fancy name and a foreign accent. A ginger lad called Eddie is never gonna be enough. He wants a maverick. He doesn't want a grafter. In short, DAVE IS A CUNT. If his name was Eduardo Quão I'd be keen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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