Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Sounds like this is going to be done properly going forward. Is it the case that the successful clubs have dof’s who outlast several managers? Is it sort of like the set up in Moneyball? Any truth in rumours that Marc Overmars is a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Spurs had a DoF called Baldini when they sold Bale to Real... as far as I can make out he wasted the fuckin lot, including a ludicrous amount of money for a player who might have been Eric Lamela(?) from his previous club Roma.... basically depends if the club & its recruitment team are operating in good faith and not stuffing cash into agents back pockets for players that aren't in any way good enough or appropriate for the clubs needs. See the Joelinton deal for instance...that sort of shit could happen with or without a DoF, and the club doesn't progress regardless of the set up... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2311 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Yeah so you pick a DOF with a good track record and not a cowboy. Both Overmars and Campos for example have made the clubs they've been at hundreds of millions of pounds in profit from player sales, and consistently found players that improved the team. Very few managers can be across scouting and recruitment to the extent that they can as consistently find quality players at a cheap price. Rafa is about as obsessive as they come when it comes to being across player info, but even he picks some stinkers from time to time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 The idea of a person in place who comes up with, then executes long term plans is sound. You can get the wrong person in place, of course, but if you get it right it can reduce the missteps below them. For example, if your DoF thinks that, for the next 5 years you need to be playing pragmatic football he'll guide the scouts to find organised, defensive players and efficient attackers, he'll guide recruitment of managers who play that style and coaches who understand that system. He won't flit from a cavalier attacking manager like Keegan, to a patient possession based manager like Dalglish, back to Sexy football Gullit. He won't sign Joelinton with no idea who the manager will be, let lone how that player would fit into the system. He won't sell Cabaye without a suitable replacement in mind. Look at Lange at Villa. They knew they were selling Grealish, so they replaced him in the aggregate with Bailey, Buendia and Danny Ings. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco 759 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 23 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Spurs had a DoF called Baldini when they sold Bale to Real... as far as I can make out he wasted the fuckin lot, including a ludicrous amount of money for a player who might have been Eric Lamela(?) from his previous club Roma.... basically depends if the club & its recruitment team are operating in good faith and not stuffing cash into agents back pockets for players that aren't in any way good enough or appropriate for the clubs needs. See the Joelinton deal for instance...that sort of shit could happen with or without a DoF, and the club doesn't progress regardless of the set up... Sounds like Dennis Wise when he was here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 https://www.geordiebootboys.com/news/who-michael-emenalo-signed-amid-ian-wrights-newcastle-suggestion/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44891 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 If that list of players is correct, get the bloke signed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 In our usual way of getting all excited about somebody who isn’t here yet…. Great interview here https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/19/michael-emenalo-the-narrative-that-white-is-good-has-to-change?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44891 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: In our usual way of getting all excited about somebody who isn’t here yet…. Great interview here https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/19/michael-emenalo-the-narrative-that-white-is-good-has-to-change?CMP=share_btn_tw OMG here I go again. I fall in love too easily. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Kante, Hazard, De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku... You'll do for me bonny lad! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44891 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 It's not just the identification of players either, it's the idea of prospective signings meeting with this bloke to be fed the vision. So far removed from what the last 14 years have been like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 PLANNING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20150 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, Gemmill said: If that list of players is correct, get the bloke signed. Dont worry he will be announced in 2 years after being seen with Mandy next week 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Gemmill said: OMG here I go again. I fall in love too easily. 33 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: In our usual way of getting all excited about somebody who isn’t here yet…. Great interview here https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/19/michael-emenalo-the-narrative-that-white-is-good-has-to-change?CMP=share_btn_tw The only concern with that interview is he seems a deeply principled man who may have an issue working for our Saudi overlords! Other than that, I hadn't heard of him 10mins ago but now I'm convinced he's the only man for the job and anyone else would be an absolute letdown Edited November 8, 2021 by Kid Dynamite 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44891 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Ah he worked for the Russian oligarch. He likes his money like he likes his steaks - bloody. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 Could be bullshit but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20150 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 This shit is getting too much man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-emenalo-agrees-terms-with-newcastle-united-after-breakthrough/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1636479911 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 08/11/2021 at 09:45, Kid Dynamite said: The only concern with that interview is he seems a deeply principled man who may have an issue working for our Saudi overlords! Other than that, I hadn't heard of him 10mins ago but now I'm convinced he's the only man for the job and anyone else would be an absolute letdown It’s fucking class isn’t it? Being actually excited and positive about incoming appointments is such a difference compared to ‘which fucking idiot is out there that’s been forgotten about or is about 15 years behind the times?’ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, Howay said: It’s fucking class isn’t it? Being actually excited and positive about incoming appointments is such a difference compared to ‘which fucking idiot is out there that’s been forgotten about or is about 15 years behind the times?’ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego21 2135 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Like most sports directors in the world of football, Emenalo has made great signings and bargains and has also made great failures. In one side... Mata, Lukaku, Courtois, De Bruyne, Salah, Hazard, Azpi, Oscar, Matic, Willian, Costa, Ake, Cuadrado, Deco, ... In the other side Zhirkov, Di Santo, Kalas, Moses (even with Conte was good), Atsu, Djilobodjiji, Kenedy, Baba Rahman, Hector, Nathan... But being involved in a top team for so long tells me that it is hopeful. And that later a club like Monaco wanted to sign him, which is characterized by an important policy of signing young promises and then developing them (Fabinho, Mbappe, Bernardo, Bakayoko, James, Carrasco ...) I like it a lot. In addition, he has also been director of the Academy and I believe that in the last 10-12 years the Chelsea youth squad is the best in the country, having won 5 or 6 Youth Cups and has won the Youth League twice and has been runner-up twice. in the 7 years that it has been disputed. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 A lot of those that you highlight as not working out well they still turned a profit on I think. That seems to be what the bloke did really well at Chelsea, aside from bringing in players that had a first team impact he made them into a side that generates so much money from loan and transfer fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20150 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Diego21 said: Like most sports directors in the world of football, Emenalo has made great signings and bargains and has also made great failures. In one side... Mata, Lukaku, Courtois, De Bruyne, Salah, Hazard, Azpi, Oscar, Matic, Willian, Costa, Ake, Cuadrado, Deco, ... In the other side Zhirkov, Di Santo, Kalas, Moses (even with Conte was good), Atsu, Djilobodjiji, Kenedy, Baba Rahman, Hector, Nathan... But being involved in a top team for so long tells me that it is hopeful. And that later a club like Monaco wanted to sign him, which is characterized by an important policy of signing young promises and then developing them (Fabinho, Mbappe, Bernardo, Bakayoko, James, Carrasco ...) I like it a lot. In addition, he has also been director of the Academy and I believe that in the last 10-12 years the Chelsea youth squad is the best in the country, having won 5 or 6 Youth Cups and has won the Youth League twice and has been runner-up twice. in the 7 years that it has been disputed. Diego the man with the knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2967 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I think it was a four million profit on Djilobodji. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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