Craig 6682 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 40 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: McClaren seemed very hard working and not completely behind the times, he was just useless and exuded absolutely no authority. McClaren is a half decent coach. He's NOT a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6544 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Andy Carrolls comments on Bruce sacking: ""It’s always sad to see people get the sack," he started. "Especially when we were guaranteed three points at the weekend." 😀 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44495 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Just listening to the Athletic weekend preview pod and the Villa fan on there has described things under Gerrard as "very similar to Villa under Steve Bruce". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7280 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Gemmill said: Just listening to the Athletic weekend preview pod and the Villa fan on there has described things under Gerrard as "very similar to Villa under Steve Bruce". I'll be honest and say that I thought Gerrard would be a half decent manager. I detested him as a player mostly because of his sanctimonious stance on diving which was wholly contradictory to his on-field behaviour, but I heard from various sources that he trained very well and was very professional about it, demanding the same from his teammates. Therefore I at least expected that as a baseline for him as a manager; expecting high levels of professionalism from the players. This of course is the opposite of Bruce who is a lazy prick full of excuses who lets the players take it easy, or at least teflons off the training aspects to coaches. So if Villa fans are seeing parallels between the teams performances under Bruce and Gerrard then I'd expect that it's not because they're similar managers but that they're both just not very good managers. Edited October 15, 2022 by OTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30369 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Substitute Keane for Gerrard in the above post and you get the exact same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7280 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, ewerk said: Substitute Keane for Gerrard in the above post and you get the exact same result. That's probably a fair assessment, though I see there being a distinction between the level of self professed hardman based on the height of the waistline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44495 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 hours ago, OTF said: I'll be honest and say that I thought Gerrard would be a half decent manager. I detested him as a player mostly because of his sanctimonious stance on diving which was wholly contradictory to his on-field behaviour, but I heard from various sources that he trained very well and was very professional about it, demanding the same from his teammates. Therefore I at least expected that as a baseline for him as a manager; expecting high levels of professionalism from the players. This of course is the opposite of Bruce who is a lazy prick full of excuses who lets the players take it easy, or at least teflons off the training aspects to coaches. So if Villa fans are seeing parallels between the teams performances under Bruce and Gerrard then I'd expect that it's not because they're similar managers but that they're both just not very good managers. Aye the thing the bloke bangs on about more than anything is a lack of identity. He can't see what it is that they're supposed to be trying to be. The one thing that gets talked about based on noises coming out of the club is the fact that Gerrard sees himself as a figurehead and puts his assistant manager in charge of training and tactics. He lost his assistant manager at the end of last season when he went to manage QPR, so to all intents and purposes Villa have had a manager change because a brand new person is in charge of training and tactics. I can understand taking that approach when you've earned your stripes as a manager and know enough to take a step back and oversee/tinker where things are going wrong. But to start your managerial career with "training and tactics are someone else's job".... Well you don't really want to be a football manager, do you? Maybe his experience of managers at Liverpool reflects this approach, but that's because by the time someone is managing Liverpool they've earned the right to take that step back and become an overseer. But they didn't start their managerial careers doing that. He's basically got to the same place that Bruce has, where one has done it through laziness and the other through wrong headed thinking about what a manager's job is. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30369 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Given that his former assistant has taken QPR to a point off the top of the Championship there could definitely be some truth to that theory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 16/10/2022 at 05:59, Gemmill said: Aye the thing the bloke bangs on about more than anything is a lack of identity. He can't see what it is that they're supposed to be trying to be. The one thing that gets talked about based on noises coming out of the club is the fact that Gerrard sees himself as a figurehead and puts his assistant manager in charge of training and tactics. He lost his assistant manager at the end of last season when he went to manage QPR, so to all intents and purposes Villa have had a manager change because a brand new person is in charge of training and tactics. I can understand taking that approach when you've earned your stripes as a manager and know enough to take a step back and oversee/tinker where things are going wrong. But to start your managerial career with "training and tactics are someone else's job".... Well you don't really want to be a football manager, do you? Maybe his experience of managers at Liverpool reflects this approach, but that's because by the time someone is managing Liverpool they've earned the right to take that step back and become an overseer. But they didn't start their managerial careers doing that. He's basically got to the same place that Bruce has, where one has done it through laziness and the other through wrong headed thinking about what a manager's job is. Says the coward who does this exact thing on Football Manager games. The rank hypocrisy is disgusting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11329 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I think all of Brewceys pay offs will be getting spent real soon.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Watching a bit of the EFL highlights thing and they've completely danced around how shit Bruce's tenure was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3322 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11329 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Dougle said: His squad at Newcastle was anything but “fiercely competitive” I struggle to think of a squad that looked more downtrodden, confused, and lacking in fight than that one. Contrast that with what is largely the same squad under Howe, one that is clearly fiercely competitive but also completely without training ground bust ups. Odd really, it’s almost as if Bruce is a fucking joke of a manager but the media seem to go to extreme lengths to tell his he’s not 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Few tweets about him going to Norwich - mainly piss-taking but in all honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they were that stupid. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9146 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 held preliminary talks with the bacon loving fat fraud according to this probably shite source..... https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-norwich-city-make-preliminary-contact-wi I'd be surprised if they could be that stupid, in fact id be surprised if any fucker could be that stupid. but hey, you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32826 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 That's insane if they even think about appointing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9146 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 norwich in the play off places when they sack their manager, bit like west brom were. I know what we'll do, we'll get brucey in to weave his magic! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13837 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 These stories have got the classic stench of Bruce getting his agent to leak some interest. One more payday, he’ll have the exit plan sorted already. Serves Tory Hayden right as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3322 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 54 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: These stories have got the classic stench of Bruce getting his agent to leak some interest. One more payday, he’ll have the exit plan sorted already. Serves Tory Hayden right as well Rough to think his contract runs out 2 years after Trippier's, Burn's, Almiron's, Wilson's etc. Fanks Mike. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34912 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 They’ll buy him out of his contract to free up a squad place I reckon. But aye, another Ashley ‘legacy’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30369 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 I thought Norwich had an obligation to buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3322 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: I thought Norwich had an obligation to buy? Conditional City will have an obligation to make the deal permanent should certain performance-related criteria be met throughout the course of the 2022/23 season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 If the condition is promotion we'll be fucked on it if they appoint the Cabbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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