Monkeys Fist 42379 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Craig said: A big difference for me was that Shepherd cared enough about the club to stomach the cost of sacking Souness. Ashley couldn't care less. What's hilarious is around 10-15 years ago we came in for huge criticism in the media for this absolute bollocks of needing a 'Geordie Nation' running the club and that we somehow had an anti-southern agenda. And then Steve Bruce was appointed. 1 hour ago, MMXXVIII said: This is another thing. The magedia narrative that we only want our own went on for years, there were plenty of examples contradicting this but it was shot to fuck with the appointment of Bruce. Any journo with even a passing interest in us would know that out of our 5 most popular mangers of the last 20-30 years, only one was born in the North East. Keegan Robson Hughton Benitez Howe. Puts the whole argument to bed tbh. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 There’s a case for Bruce being competent and doing a decent job early in his career. He’s been robbing a living for well over a decade now. Also noteworthy he’s better regarded at clubs with little in the way of expectations. Edwards is a fraud himself though 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30560 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 The thing with Bruce is that, even a casual look at his performance metrics over the past 3 jobs would show someone whose teams don't win, use or shoot the ball well. But if you don't go off stats and you're more likely just to go off vibes, a brief glance through articles from his time at clubs would reveal a man who blames players, fans, and lack of transfers. Someone who takes a LOT of time off. How any owner could look at either of those stacks of evidence and not immediately bin his application, is a mystery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said: The signings listed above all MASSIVELY downgraded the quality of our team. They are were all shit. I don't think anyone could back them. Tomasson went on to have a good career but the PL just passed him by at the time. Too physical for him at that age. He was played as a number 9 when he was definitely a number 10 too though. He looked good pre-season in behind Shearer. He was hung out to dry in a manner not dissimilar to Joelinton Edited October 10, 2022 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Alex said: He was played as a number 9 when he was definitely a number 10 too though. He looked good pre-season in behind Shearer. He was hung out to fry in a manner not dissimilar to Joelinton Aye, we've said it before that had Shearer not got crocked in the preseason game against Everton (another reason to hate them), him and Tomasson might well have built some kind of partnership. Mind, if Howe had been in charge, he would have dropped Tomasson into centre mid and the lad would have morphed into a midfield destroyer, the likes of which the league has never seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Not really defending Dalglish as he signed some absolute dross. I think we picked up Andreas Andersson for a similar fee at around the sane time (from the same club no less) as Arsenal paid for Vieira. There were some mitigating factors though, like the plc wanting to balance the books and his trying to buy a reserve team after KK had binned it (there’s a story to that too). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6581 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Tomasson played off Tino quite a bit and still looked shit. He was far too slow on the ball. He may have adapted after a while but struggled to get upto speed in his season here. He was only around 20 though so he could have come good eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Tino wasn’t exactly a target man and rarely performed that well in the league himself. But Tino was out injured a fair bit that season too. It was playing as a 9 that wrecked JDT’s confidence though imo. We’ll never know I guess. Maybe he was better suited to other leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3329 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: Nah, you can't blame the PLC for terrible signings. Barnes, Rush, Pearce, Pistone, Tomasson etc - All awful. add in Stéphane Guivarc'h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9761 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42379 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Has anyone told Edwards that Bruce is heterosexual? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 His stock had risen, so he took a championship job? Also how was it “too soon”, if he had taken time off would he have used it like Howe used his time off and went around to see how managers who excel at what he’s weak at structure things? Or would he have went on the piss in Benidorm? What a fucking sniffer Edwards is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Howay said: His stock had risen, so he took a championship job? Also how was it “too soon”, if he had taken time off would he have used it like Howe used his time off and went around to see how managers who excel at what he’s weak at structure things? Or would he have went on the piss in Benidorm? What a fucking sniffer Edwards is. Stock had risen as the worst Premier League manager in history. Anyone who watched us would know that staying up had nothing to do with Bruce, as he marched us backwards in pretty much every conceivable metric during his time here. Ashley would have sacked him for sure if it wasn't going to cost him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11259 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 15 hours ago, tinofbeans said: wonder what they think of him, the west brom fans. i mean he's turned a team that would be good enough for the playoffs into a bottom 3 club. that really takes some doing. That's his superpower. That and getting very well paid for doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11259 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 15 hours ago, OTF said: If WBA have a large payput required in the case of his sacking they've only got themselves to blame. Appointing him was pathetically bad to begin with so it's probably yo be expected that they don't. It's hard to fathom that "professionals" in charge of such large budgets could make a choice that a few hours seconds of googling could substantiate as foolish.... at least it would be hard to if we hadn't lived through the Mike Ashley era. FYP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42379 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 5 hours ago, RobinRobin said: That's his superpower. That and getting very well paid for doing it. If he was an actual superhero, that’d be a good superpower to have- everything within a 500m radius becomes utterly useless. As a “manager” it’s turbo shit. Regardless of the opinions of 4-5 talking heads and brown tongues, upwards of a million people, from Birmingham, through Yorkshire to Newcastle via Mutantville, think he’s a fucking useless pile of lard through having him as their gaffer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30560 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 “He’s one of the most important managers that England has had in the last 100 years,” I assume Arteta will be on the blower this morning to try and get him on his coaching team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42379 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: He’s one of the most important managers that England has had in the last 100 years,” If it wasn’t Edwards, who the fuck said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: If it wasn’t Edwards, who the fuck said that? Arteta. I find it useful to read the whole post before replying, why not give it a go. It's a skill, but a learnable skill. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Edwards fails to mention Bruce having a lot of money to spend relative to his predecessors too of course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42379 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, The Fish said: Arteta. I find it useful to read the whole post before replying, why not give it a go. It's a skill, but a learnable skill. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11259 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Burnt by Fish 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ewerk said: “He’s one of the most important managers that England has had in the last 100 years,” Important in what way? Gifting young foreign managers victory? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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