The new manager thread

[Christmas Tree 4725]

23 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

 

 

Hope he signs BEFORE watching us in the flesh  

[Blastronaut 1333]

2 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Didnt he bail out of the celtic job because his pal couldnt get a contract sorted with them? 

 

Widely rumoured to the be case, yeah. But looking at the current setup there its not hard to believe it was the Celtic board fucking about rather than Howe or the folk he wanted to bring in with him.

 

Ange has been in for a good few months and the only other changes to backroom staff from the former reign have been a former St Mirren manager brought in as Sport Scientist/Fitness Specialist. 

 

[Alan Doh'liver 219]

26 minutes ago, Blastronaut said:

 

Widely rumoured to the be case, yeah. But looking at the current setup there its not hard to believe it was the Celtic board fucking about rather than Howe or the folk he wanted to bring in with him.

 

Ange has been in for a good few months and the only other changes to backroom staff from the former reign have been a former St Mirren manager brought in as Sport Scientist/Fitness Specialist. 

 

 

I don't want to offend anyone here, but Scottish football isn't much of a proving ground for an ambitious young manager. Other than the CL and the old firm derby, there's not much to brag about on your CV. 

 

Newcastle in the Premier backed by the richest owners in the world does offer something more to stir the blood I would reckon. 

[ewerk 30608]

I don’t think it’s that simple. Eddie Howe had to decide whether it was better to have a job in the SPL or no job at all.

And after much deliberation decided it was better to have no job.

[Alan Doh'liver 219]

[Blastronaut 1333]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I don’t think it’s that simple. Eddie Howe had to decide whether it was better to have a job in the SPL or no job at all.

And after much deliberation decided it was better to have no job.

 

I think you're right. He was clearly considering it but given the length of time talks stretched out though it's fair to assume he sussed the Celtic board to be a total shambles that wouldn't give him the autonomy to implement his vision. I think a look at the current setup backs that up a bit. 

 

12 minutes ago, Alan Doh'liver said:

 

I don't want to offend anyone here, but Scottish football isn't much of a proving ground for an ambitious young manager. Other than the CL and the old firm derby, there's not much to brag about on your CV. 

 

Newcastle in the Premier backed by the richest owners in the world does offer something more to stir the blood I would reckon. 

 

No offense taken from me. I couldn't give a fuck about the old firm. They're like a past their best Blackpool Pleasure Beach in a world of travelling circus acts. I'd be happy to see them both go the same way as Rhyl.

[Alan Doh'liver 219]

6 minutes ago, Blastronaut said:

 

I think you're right. He was clearly considering it but given the length of time talks stretched out though it's fair to assume he sussed the Celtic board to be a total shambles that wouldn't give him the autonomy to implement his vision. I think a look at the current setup backs that up a bit. 

 

 

No offense taken from me. I couldn't give a fuck about the old firm. They're like a past their best Blackpool Pleasure Beach in a world of travelling circus acts. I'd be happy to see them both go the same way as Rhyl.

Well I actually have family ties in Scotland so I do understand the passion in Scotland for the game, but it's basically like having two teams in Newcastle going up against Blyth and Carlisle. 

[Blastronaut 1333]

34 minutes ago, Alan Doh'liver said:

Well I actually have family ties in Scotland so I do understand the passion in Scotland for the game, but it's basically like having two teams in Newcastle going up against Blyth and Carlisle. 

 

Now I'm offended like. Who the fuck do you think you are? 

 

Edit: That maybe came off a bit strong. Dunno where the fuck Blyth is tbh and the last time i met a Carlisle fan up here someone shouted across the bar "never heard of you cunts until you signed Robbie Fowler".

Edited November 6, 2021 by Blastronaut

[Alan Doh'liver 219]

53 minutes ago, Blastronaut said:

 

Now I'm offended like. Who the fuck do you think you are? 

 

Edit: That maybe came off a bit strong. Dunno where the fuck Blyth is tbh and the last time i met a Carlisle fan up here someone shouted across the bar "never heard of you cunts until you signed Robbie Fowler".

Touche

But yeah, no one in the real world gives a shit about far flung small town teams apart from small town team supporters. I mean that's the point surely? 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13863]

That’s why they all support England as their first team

[Blastronaut 1333]

33 minutes ago, Alan Doh'liver said:

Touche

But yeah, no one in the real world gives a shit about far flung small town teams apart from small town team supporters. I mean that's the point surely? 

 

That's one way to look at it. Nobody besides the "small town team supporters" will ever give a shit until there's an unexpected cup run or a big money takeover.

[ohhh_yeah 2964]

 

Jason Tindall from Sheffield United as an assistant to Howe.

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/eddie-howe-and-newcastle-united-set-to-bring-in-former-sheffield-united-coach-jason-tindall-3445921

 

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Anyone after a bit of pre match viewing, afc Bournemouth YouTube Chanel Back of the net, have put together this video for Newcastle fans.

 

Basically talks through various “myths of Eddie Howe”.

 

I thought it was quite good and it’s clear as day they hold him in a similar regard as we do KK.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Christmas Tree

[spongebob toonpants 3996]

Decent article

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/05/incoming-newcastle-boss-eddie-howe-set-road-tyneside-diego-simeone/

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

It probably is, but I'll not be chipping in to pay Edwards

[thebrokendoll 9205]

here you go....

 

How incoming Newcastle boss Eddie Howe was set on the road to Tyneside by Diego Simeone

With Newcastle appointment imminent, Howe must quickly demonstrate his unquestionable managerial skills and lessons learned from Bournemouth

 

It is not a perfect metric but the adage that you can best measure a manager’s worth by the state of a club at the beginning and end of their tenure remains as reliable as any.

And when Eddie Howe became Bournemouth manager in January 2009, they were 23rd in League Two, 10 points adrift of safety and fighting not just for their Football League survival but their very existence as a club.

When he left 11 years later, Bournemouth were exiting the Premier League following five straight seasons in the top-flight, three promotions and easily the greatest era in the club’s history.

Yes, the fairy tale did not have the ending he wanted, but the bottom line is that Newcastle United would be getting a 43-year-old manager of vast, if often understated, substance.

His use of the 15 months since leaving Bournemouth has been instructive.

There have been no media interviews. No self-promotion. No getting his name linked with any enticing vacancy.

Howe has instead utilised his first sustained break from playing or managing for a combination of family time – his eldest boys Harry and Rocky are budding footballers – and the chance to prepare for his managerial return. This has meant looking back as well as forward.

And so Howe has spent a sizable part of the past year reflecting on what he did right and what he did wrong at Bournemouth, particularly in that painful final season. That has meant re-watching their matches and reassessing the training sessions, of which all were carefully logged, to better understand how his players reacted to what he had been trying to achieve.

Howe has his own football philosophy document and, in also watching plenty of football, often live with his two boys, he has been constantly updating his own attacking vision for the game.

He has taken time to visit other clubs and understand how they work, notably Diego Simeone’s Atletico Madrid. The Argentine coach has proved himself one of the masters of adaptation, taking on the big two in Spain with a distinctive style of play that has yielded great success, including two league titles. Howe also visited another Madrid club, Rayo Vallecano, who were promoted last season to La Liga. At Vallecano he has encountered a different kind of coach, albeit one whose journey is similar to his own.

When Howe left Bournemouth they were exiting the Premier League following five straight seasons in the top flight CREDIT: PA

Andoni Iraola, 39, briefly a Spain international in his playing days, not only has got Vallecano promoted from the second tier but the club, who have spent more time out of the first tier over their history, are currently sixth in Liga – vastly outperforming their budget.

Two days were also spent at Liverpool including a meeting with the architect of the club’s golden recruitment era, technical director Michael Edwards. Howe recognises that recruitment will be critical for Newcastle, especially when the club try to navigate this next January transfer window, and he will also know that it was an area which faltered to some extent towards the end of his Bournemouth tenure.

At Liverpool he also met Alex Inglethorpe, the club’s academy director. He wanted to understand how the club have overhauled their structure over the past decade to a level that is allowing them to overcome the financial disadvantages and compete so consistently with Manchester City.

He has already spent long hours assessing the Newcastle players and there would be immediate familiar faces in Callum Wilson, Ryan Fraser and Matt Ritchie, three players whose careers he has already influenced hugely.

There would be risks, of course, on all sides. Howe’s only previous job outside of Dorset – just under two years at Burnley – was not the failure that is occasionally presented but certainly a time when he struggled to inspire the sort of improvement that Bournemouth fans had come to expect. The wider backdrop was also the most difficult personal period of his life following the death of his mother Anne.

He felt a need to return to Dorset in 2012 and the people he knew best.Yet the legacy he left at Burnley was strong. He signed Ben Mee, now club captain and one of the most important Burnley players of the Sean Dyche era. Also from Manchester City’s development teams, Howe signed Kieran Trippier, now an England regular and occasional England captain. The combined cost of those two was around £600,000. Another future England international, Danny Ings, arrived from Bournemouth for just £1 million. His next club would be Liverpool.

Back at Bournemouth he was able to shape the club almost completely in his own image, right down to the messaging around the stadium to the surface of the training pitches and the shape of the dining tables. The staff around him, headed by his assistant Jason Tindall – often a more demonstrative touchline presence – and numerous other ex-team-mates were hand-picked. Some will follow him to Newcastle.

Callum Wilson will once again be under the guidance of former boss Eddie Howe at Newcastle CREDIT: Shutterstock

Harry Redknapp would say that football fandom got progressively more laid-back as you travelled along the south-coast between Portsmouth and Bournemouth via Southampton and there can be no doubt that Howe would be operating under a scrutiny at Newcastle that he has never previously known.

He is said to be excited by the prospect and would certainly attempt to deal with all the outside noise by simply focussing on improving the team.

The experience of working previously with Maxim Demin at Bournemouth, hardly a conventional owner, would also stand him in good stead for what might follow.

The hope must be that Newcastle’s new Saudi Arabian owners, represented in England by Amanda Staveley, now give him the autonomy to shape the club in his image and the time for change to take hold.

Howe has often spoken about how his mother instilled in him a work ethic that, even by the obsessional standards of football managers, is all-consuming and that he thinks about her before every game.

He has an eclectic range of influences and can talk with as much passion about what he learnt in a dressing-room with Tony Pulis and Sean O’Driscoll at Bournemouth as time spent studying managers like Brendan Rodgers and Arsene Wenger, or the legendary basketball coach John Wooden.

Like Wooden, Howe is most fascinated by the process and the compound impact of relentlessly high-quality training and preparation. “There’s a lot of worry in the world,” he once said. “The reality is that it’s all about the preparation. You hope then that the result takes care of itself in the knowledge that you have done everything in your power to produce the best performance.

[Alex 35079]

9 hours ago, Blastronaut said:

 

Now I'm offended like. Who the fuck do you think you are? 

 

Edit: That maybe came off a bit strong. Dunno where the fuck Blyth is tbh and the last time i met a Carlisle fan up here someone shouted across the bar "never heard of you cunts until you signed Robbie Fowler".

The Fish is from Blyth if that helps

[thebrokendoll 9205]

ps.....

 

you can get round the telegraph's paywall on your phone by touching on refresh then before it finishes refreshing stopping it by touching on the 'x' 

sometimes takes a few attempts, but persevere and you get there in the end!

doesn't seem to work for all paywalls though, never managed it with times.

[t00nraider2 41]

22 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

here you go....

 

How incoming Newcastle boss Eddie Howe was set on the road to Tyneside by Diego Simeone

With Newcastle appointment imminent, Howe must quickly demonstrate his unquestionable managerial skills and lessons learned from Bournemouth

 

It is not a perfect metric but the adage that you can best measure a manager’s worth by the state of a club at the beginning and end of their tenure remains as reliable as any.

And when Eddie Howe became Bournemouth manager in January 2009, they were 23rd in League Two, 10 points adrift of safety and fighting not just for their Football League survival but their very existence as a club.

When he left 11 years later, Bournemouth were exiting the Premier League following five straight seasons in the top-flight, three promotions and easily the greatest era in the club’s history.

Yes, the fairy tale did not have the ending he wanted, but the bottom line is that Newcastle United would be getting a 43-year-old manager of vast, if often understated, substance.

His use of the 15 months since leaving Bournemouth has been instructive.

There have been no media interviews. No self-promotion. No getting his name linked with any enticing vacancy.

Howe has instead utilised his first sustained break from playing or managing for a combination of family time – his eldest boys Harry and Rocky are budding footballers – and the chance to prepare for his managerial return. This has meant looking back as well as forward.

And so Howe has spent a sizable part of the past year reflecting on what he did right and what he did wrong at Bournemouth, particularly in that painful final season. That has meant re-watching their matches and reassessing the training sessions, of which all were carefully logged, to better understand how his players reacted to what he had been trying to achieve.

Howe has his own football philosophy document and, in also watching plenty of football, often live with his two boys, he has been constantly updating his own attacking vision for the game.

He has taken time to visit other clubs and understand how they work, notably Diego Simeone’s Atletico Madrid. The Argentine coach has proved himself one of the masters of adaptation, taking on the big two in Spain with a distinctive style of play that has yielded great success, including two league titles. Howe also visited another Madrid club, Rayo Vallecano, who were promoted last season to La Liga. At Vallecano he has encountered a different kind of coach, albeit one whose journey is similar to his own.

When Howe left Bournemouth they were exiting the Premier League following five straight seasons in the top flight CREDIT: PA

Andoni Iraola, 39, briefly a Spain international in his playing days, not only has got Vallecano promoted from the second tier but the club, who have spent more time out of the first tier over their history, are currently sixth in Liga – vastly outperforming their budget.

Two days were also spent at Liverpool including a meeting with the architect of the club’s golden recruitment era, technical director Michael Edwards. Howe recognises that recruitment will be critical for Newcastle, especially when the club try to navigate this next January transfer window, and he will also know that it was an area which faltered to some extent towards the end of his Bournemouth tenure.

At Liverpool he also met Alex Inglethorpe, the club’s academy director. He wanted to understand how the club have overhauled their structure over the past decade to a level that is allowing them to overcome the financial disadvantages and compete so consistently with Manchester City.

He has already spent long hours assessing the Newcastle players and there would be immediate familiar faces in Callum Wilson, Ryan Fraser and Matt Ritchie, three players whose careers he has already influenced hugely.

There would be risks, of course, on all sides. Howe’s only previous job outside of Dorset – just under two years at Burnley – was not the failure that is occasionally presented but certainly a time when he struggled to inspire the sort of improvement that Bournemouth fans had come to expect. The wider backdrop was also the most difficult personal period of his life following the death of his mother Anne.

He felt a need to return to Dorset in 2012 and the people he knew best.Yet the legacy he left at Burnley was strong. He signed Ben Mee, now club captain and one of the most important Burnley players of the Sean Dyche era. Also from Manchester City’s development teams, Howe signed Kieran Trippier, now an England regular and occasional England captain. The combined cost of those two was around £600,000. Another future England international, Danny Ings, arrived from Bournemouth for just £1 million. His next club would be Liverpool.

Back at Bournemouth he was able to shape the club almost completely in his own image, right down to the messaging around the stadium to the surface of the training pitches and the shape of the dining tables. The staff around him, headed by his assistant Jason Tindall – often a more demonstrative touchline presence – and numerous other ex-team-mates were hand-picked. Some will follow him to Newcastle.

Callum Wilson will once again be under the guidance of former boss Eddie Howe at Newcastle CREDIT: Shutterstock

Harry Redknapp would say that football fandom got progressively more laid-back as you travelled along the south-coast between Portsmouth and Bournemouth via Southampton and there can be no doubt that Howe would be operating under a scrutiny at Newcastle that he has never previously known.

He is said to be excited by the prospect and would certainly attempt to deal with all the outside noise by simply focussing on improving the team.

The experience of working previously with Maxim Demin at Bournemouth, hardly a conventional owner, would also stand him in good stead for what might follow.

The hope must be that Newcastle’s new Saudi Arabian owners, represented in England by Amanda Staveley, now give him the autonomy to shape the club in his image and the time for change to take hold.

Howe has often spoken about how his mother instilled in him a work ethic that, even by the obsessional standards of football managers, is all-consuming and that he thinks about her before every game.

He has an eclectic range of influences and can talk with as much passion about what he learnt in a dressing-room with Tony Pulis and Sean O’Driscoll at Bournemouth as time spent studying managers like Brendan Rodgers and Arsene Wenger, or the legendary basketball coach John Wooden.

Like Wooden, Howe is most fascinated by the process and the compound impact of relentlessly high-quality training and preparation. “There’s a lot of worry in the world,” he once said. “The reality is that it’s all about the preparation. You hope then that the result takes care of itself in the knowledge that you have done everything in your power to produce the best performance.

Hopefully he's better than Bruce.

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

Just now, t00nraider2 said:

Hopefully he's better than Bruce.

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

10 hours ago, Blastronaut said:

 

Now I'm offended like. Who the fuck do you think you are? 

 

Edit: That maybe came off a bit strong. Dunno where the fuck Blyth is tbh and the last time i met a Carlisle fan up here someone shouted across the bar "never heard of you cunts until you signed Robbie Fowler".

How very dare you!

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

1 hour ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Decent article

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/05/incoming-newcastle-boss-eddie-howe-set-road-tyneside-diego-simeone/

He took Bournemouth from 91st/92 league clubs to 8th/92 league clubs. That's a decent effort tbf and I'm not sure if it's ever been bettered?

[Gemmill 44872]

Aye good read. Sounds like Howe works harder outside of work than Bruce works in it. 

[The Mighty Hog 518]

1 hour ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

It probably is, but I'll not be chipping in to pay Edwards

https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

 

This works for some paywalled articles, not The Athletic, but I've had no issue with Telegraph sports stuff.

[Dr Gloom 21921]

2 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

Anyone after a bit of pre match viewing, afc Bournemouth YouTube Chanel Back of the net, have put together this video for Newcastle fans.

 

Basically talks through various “myths of Eddie Howe”.

 

I thought it was quite good and it’s clear as day they hold him in a similar regard as we do KK.

 

 

Cheers for that. Informative and illuminating. Interesting to note the one myth they couldn’t debunk was how his sides a prone to leaky defence and tend to win 4-3 instead of 1-0.