Cabbage vs Klopp

[Tom 14011]

If we were that dedicated & organised every week we’d have little to complain about.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Dunno about organised like, their finishing and Schars last ditch defending nicked us a point 

[ewerk 30610]

Going forward we were nothing without Wilson. Defensively we rode our luck a few times. In between we were lucky that Liverpool were off their game and we showed a semblance of competence at times.

It’s pathetic that this is seen as something to celebrate but this is Newcastle United in 2020.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

12 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Going forward we were nothing without Wilson. Defensively we rode our luck a few times. In between we were lucky that Liverpool were off their game and we showed a semblance of competence at times.

It’s pathetic that this is seen as something to celebrate but this is Newcastle United in 2020.

 

Darlow sucking the clubs cock for only losing 2 nil at Man City another indicator of what we are

[Blastronaut 1333]

16 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Darlow sucking the clubs cock for only losing 2 nil at Man City another indicator of what we are

Nice to see the camera cutting to him at the final whistle to see him euphorically shouting "how the fuck!?" like he was more surprised at the result than everyone watching.

 

Tbf though he was excellent bar that moment Firminho put that free header wide. 

[strawb 4251]

Only problem with this is it give the pundit and radio cunts who only watch motd more ammo to say we are idiots for wanting better.
 

We will look decent in the highlights and Chris Sutton and Robbie Savage will be on baiting people into bites tomorrow.

[OTF 7295]

47 minutes ago, strawb said:

Only problem with this is it give the pundit and radio cunts who only watch motd more ammo to say we are idiots for wanting better.
 

We will look decent in the highlights and Chris Sutton and Robbie Savage will be on baiting people into bites tomorrow.

 

It's true, and yet if we get tonked by Leicester next they won't correct themselves the other way. We've never received accurate punditry outside of the odd ex-player (that's no guarantee) so as much as it's frustrating we should be well used to it by now.

[OTF 7295]

2 hours ago, Polarboy said:

Joelinton thinking he's vintage Ibrahimovic with that attempt. I assume he came to senses once he fell on his arse and completely mishit it.

 

That was quite amusing.

[OTF 7295]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

Going forward we were nothing without Wilson. Defensively we rode our luck a few times. In between we were lucky that Liverpool were off their game and we showed a semblance of competence at times.

It’s pathetic that this is seen as something to celebrate but this is Newcastle United in 2020.

 

It's true, Wilson is a step above the rest, but what I felt was much better from the rest was that we didn't often resort to slinging long balls in his general direction immediately after gaining possession. Liverpool are normally very good at closing down and pressuring the ball, not sure whether they took it a bit easy today or whether someone reminded our players that they're fucking professional footballers and can just turn away from the defender and look for another passing option or retain possession until that option presents itself. Shelvey, Sean Longstaff and Almiron not being out there helped in that respect. To hus credit when Almiron did come on he valued possession more than usual.

 

Pretty sad that I'm saying that with sincerity when we had 26.8% possession. That's our reality. Honestly if they scored early on, which could easily have happened, I'm sure we'd have resorted to our panicked useless rush to get forward and have lost our defensive resolve and structure as a result.

[sammynb 3355]

Don't know if was cabbageheed's decision or the back 3 worked it out themselves but I think playing Schar as the centre of three was a brilliant decision and helped his game.

Clark being the organiser in the back was able to keep him in check positionally and we all know he's got the ability as a player.

Also having FF on the right of the back three helped keep that side tighter as with Schar and Yedlin together they tend to lose positional sense leaving a gaping hole where our rightside of defence should be.

Whatever we paid for Clark has been a bargain, when fit he should be first defender on the teamsheet.

[thebrokendoll 9218]

9 hours ago, ewerk said:

Going forward we were nothing without Wilson. Defensively we rode our luck a few times. In between we were lucky that Liverpool were off their game and we showed a semblance of competence at times.

It’s pathetic that this is seen as something to celebrate but this is Newcastle United in 2020.

 

amongst all.the plaudits for showing a bit of resilience (including me own) the above is still the correct answer.

oh and bruce is obviously still an utter cunt.

Edited December 31, 2020 by thebrokendoll

[The Fish 10857]

11 hours ago, Isegrim said:

Decent performance so far, especially the first 25 minutes. Since then we gave them a bit too much space, but are still doing  well overall. Add a bit of luck and Darlow and we might get something out of this.

Nailed it.

10 hours ago, OTF said:

Well that was wholly unexpected. Our best performance in quite some time, defended as a team and what for me stood out as the biggest difference was individual decision making and application. We understandably lost a bit of that towards the end, but earlier on our players were making the right decision to hold on to the ball and look for better options. At the end of the day if you're in the premier league you're an elite level footballer and you should be able to get the simple stuff right. They did that tonight and that solidified them as a team and gave the defense something to work for throughout. Smart and decisive defending and some very good saves from Darlow.

 

We badly needed a performance like this, it will be interesting to see how this contributes to our display against Leicester. 

I think Hayden and M.Longstaff were absolutely vital in this. If Shelvey had been on the pitch we would have lost this game. Not just because of the hair trigger on his Hollywood passes, but how little effort he puts in to press or just make himself available for the pass. 

 

Longstaff Jr looked leggy as the game went on, which is understandable, and I'd have preferred him replaced with his brother, instead of swapping left backs. Also, Gayle or Almiron for Joelinton rather than keeping him on the pitch when his limited influence had Wayned.

 

Nit picking aside, that was a good performance and, like the Everton game, should be the blueprint for games going forward. Set up like that against lesser sides and our midfield/attack will have more chances as well. 

[Alex 35082]

12 hours ago, ewerk said:

Going forward we were nothing without Wilson. Defensively we rode our luck a few times. In between we were lucky that Liverpool were off their game and we showed a semblance of competence at times.

It’s pathetic that this is seen as something to celebrate but this is Newcastle United in 2020.

Aye, would agree with that. The harder you work, the luckier you get and we deserved it for a good performance with the lads all putting in a shift. But, like you say, the opposition weren’t at their best but they’d still have had a comfortable win if they’d taken their chances (at least a couple of which they’d normally put away). Even then it was massively down to Wilson. His movement and holdup play allowed the other players to hit long balls into the channels to relieve pressure. We really don’t have anyone else who comes close to being able to do that. Take that away and unrelenting pressure you’d have had last night would’ve made a goal inevitable 

[sammynb 3355]

4 minutes ago, Alex said:

Aye, would agree with that. The harder you work, the luckier you get and we deserved it for a good performance with the lads all putting in a shift. But, like you say, the opposition weren’t at their best but they’d still have had a comfortable win if they’d taken their chances (at least a couple of which they’d normally put away). Even then it was massively down to Wilson. His movement and holdup play allowed the other players to hit long balls into the channels to relieve pressure. We really don’t have anyone else who comes close to being able to do that. Take that away and unrelenting pressure you’d have had last night would’ve made a goal inevitable 

 

If only we had a player that could supply him the service his work-rate deserves.

At least without Shelvey on the pitch he didn't have to chase hollywood balls he was never going to get.

[The Fish 10857]

19 minutes ago, Alex said:

Aye, would agree with that. The harder you work, the luckier you get and we deserved it for a good performance with the lads all putting in a shift. But, like you say, the opposition weren’t at their best but they’d still have had a comfortable win if they’d taken their chances (at least a couple of which they’d normally put away). Even then it was massively down to Wilson. His movement and holdup play allowed the other players to hit long balls into the channels to relieve pressure. We really don’t have anyone else who comes close to being able to do that. Take that away and unrelenting pressure you’d have had last night would’ve made a goal inevitable 

It's a real shame that we've been without Fraser and ASM as those two should be able to take advantage of his movement. Way more effectively than Murphy and Joelinton who just don't can't do it at this level (yet). I'd honestly go with the same setup; 5 at the back, two hardworking midfielders, those two as wider attacking players and Wilson up front. Gives us a solid defense and pace and movement up front. 

 

If ASM is on the left side play Dummett or Ritchie behind him. If he's on the right play Manquillo or (at a push) Krafth. 

[thebrokendoll 9218]

18 minutes ago, The Fish said:

It's a real shame that we've been without Fraser and ASM as those two should be able to take advantage of his movement. Way more effectively than Murphy and Joelinton who just don't can't do it at this level (yet). I'd honestly go with the same setup; 5 at the back, two hardworking midfielders, those two as wider attacking players and Wilson up front. Gives us a solid defense and pace and movement up front. 

 

If ASM is on the left side play Dummett or Ritchie behind him. If he's on the right play Manquillo or (at a push) Krafth. 

 

(yet)??

you think there's still hope?

[The Fish 10857]

7 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

(yet)??

you think there's still hope?

Yep. I have zero faith in Bruce's ability to improve players, or play them in a system that gets the most out of their ability, whatever level it may be. Joelinton has been played as an isolated targetman, a winger, a wide forward in a team that have been shuffled around, and changed, and allowed to drift into entropy. I don't think you can accurately gauge his level of ability without taking all that into consideration. I don't think he has ever been, or will ever be a goalscorer, but he might well have the raw talent to be a decent attacking player. Some of the stuff he's getting wrong could be coached into him; when to make runs, what passes to pick, when to hold onto the ball and when to release it. He has the physique to be much harder to get off the ball, yet never seems to set himself properly before the pressure comes his way.

 

Murphy has shown flashes of ability, I don't think he's ever going to be great, but he's got a decent delivery and can be direct. He needs coaching.

[t00nraider2 41]

You don't need a fukin phd to know you need to get in the box more to score goals!

[Alex 35082]

You didn’t need one to get in your sister’s 

[The Fish 10857]

1 hour ago, t00nraider2 said:

You don't need a fukin phd to know you need to get in the box more to score goals!

Surely there must come a point when you realise that this thing you do, is a total waste of your time?

[t00nraider2 41]

39 minutes ago, Alex said:

You didn’t need one to get in your sister’s 

Did you learn that one in primary or secondary school? Seriously, have a word with yaself and grow up!

[t00nraider2 41]

4 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Surely there must come a point when you realise that this thing you do, is a total waste of your time?

Sorry, couldn't resist, it was an open goal, although sadly Joelinton would unlikely score from. 

 

There are far too many excuses for Joelinton. I think he will come good, but will take a huge amount of patience, something most of our fans do not have! but if Shearer was still playing and had to play in midfield, or out wide, he would still be able to make a quality contribution.

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

It looked like we had a team who were determined to get something out of the game.We had defenders who wanted to defend,midfield players who were prepared to put a shift in and Wilson who caused the best team in the league problems when the ball was played.Big Useless Joe is still proving he’s out of his depth.As for riding our luck,I don’t get it.A couple of scrambles close to goal has nothing to do with us being fortunate.Salah and Firmino missing good chances has nothing to do with us being lucky.Neither team conceded and neither team scored,so credit to both teams.A keeper isn’t lucky if he makes saves.A team aren’t lucky if the opposition fail to score.Poor finishing means the team were poor up front.Nowt to do with the other team being lucky.A team who scramble the ball clear have bettered the opposition in that incident.Gayle has to start up front-ish with Wilson,so we have another outlet,but we know BUJ will continue to prove that £40m can get you shite.

[The Fish 10857]

2 hours ago, t00nraider2 said:

Sorry, couldn't resist, it was an open goal, although sadly Joelinton would unlikely score from. 

 

There are far too many excuses for Joelinton. I think he will come good, but will take a huge amount of patience, something most of our fans do not have! but if Shearer was still playing and had to play in midfield, or out wide, he would still be able to make a quality contribution.

Shocker, Joelinton is not as good as Shearer.

 

Stick ASM as centreback, see how he fares. You dumb cunt.

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

MOTD slow motion showed Darlow wrapping an arm around Mane’s leg just prior to Shar clearing very close to the goal line and suggesting it was a pen.What they didn’t show was Mane clearly handling the ball after the initial save.