essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 hours ago, The Fish said: Lascelles made himself as big as possible and conceded a penalty. 'Giving 100%' cost us a goal, so put that in your curmudgeonly pipe and smoke it. Turning their back is not the biggest issue, it's not even in the top five. We concede goals because we've average-to-poor defenders, coached by average-to-poor coaches and managed by a poor tactician. It's like moaning about the in-flight meal as the plane plummets towards the ground. ‘Making yourself big ‘ is a new one on you,isn’t it? Shar getting out the way of the shot contributed towards Ings’ goal.Yes? Turning his back and making himself small contributed towards Ings’ goal.Yes? I’ve put blame on TOT for slicing a simple clearance out of play.I’m putting no blame on TOT for not winning the header from the throw-in.I’ve pointed out that turning your back isn’t an example of poor play.Yep,we’re a poor team with a number of poor players,with questionable team selections and tactics,we all know that.Poor players make more mistakes than good players,that’s down to lack of ability,but one serious weakness we all see regularly isn’t down to lack of ability.Would you be more critical if our keeper joined in with such cowardice? It’s costing us goals,sometimes defeats,and it’s preventable.Daft Brucey and his staff are either ignoring this problem or are quite happy for it to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, essembeeofsunderland said: ‘Making yourself big ‘ is a new one on you,isn’t it? Shar getting out the way of the shot contributed towards Ings’ goal.Yes? Turning his back and making himself small contributed towards Ings’ goal.Yes? I’ve put blame on TOT for slicing a simple clearance out of play. I’m putting no blame on TOT for not winning the header from the throw-in.I’ve pointed out that turning your back isn’t an example of poor play.Yep,we’re a poor team with a number of poor players,with questionable team selections and tactics,we all know that.Poor players make more mistakes than good players,that’s down to lack of ability,but one serious weakness we all see regularly isn’t down to lack of ability. Would you be more critical if our keeper joined in with such cowardice? It’s costing us goals,sometimes defeats,and it’s preventable.Daft Brucey and his staff are either ignoring this problem or are quite happy for it to continue. I think there are far more problems that lead to Ings' goal than one centreback turning his back, yeah. You seem to think that if the players were taking shots to the face (rather than turning their backs) we'd not be losing, when, in reality, it's an infinitesimally small factor that you've arbitrarily chosen as the hill you're going to die on. Calling them cowards to make it seem a more heinous crime is pathetic as well. We're losing because we're not pressing well, we're not using the ball well and we're not finishing chances. We're not organised defensively and we're not measured in our attacks. We rely way too much on individual incidents of ability, rather than team play. We have a good striker that we fail to provide for. We've a few technically gifted attacking midfielders that we don't support. Our lynchpin central midfielder is a selfish cunt whose prefers to spray Hollywood balls about the place and shoot from the halfway line, instead of using that passing range to build attacks consistently. We've seen a poorer iteration of this squad play pragmatically, with a mean defence and an efficient attack. Now, with better players we should still be able to be mean at the back, while playing with more verve at the other end. So no, cowardice isn't the fucking problem. Bruce and his cohort are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howmanheyman 33185 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Tom said: Looks like he's going to Man U now so that was a good decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I wonder who his first game is against 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Man Utd agree a deal to sign one of the best players in the world in 24hrs. NUFC still floundering 2 months into the window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33185 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Look, we've already broken our own rules to buy Willock, what more do you want? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Fish said: I think there are far more problems that lead to Ings' goal than one centreback turning his back, yeah. You seem to think that if the players were taking shots to the face (rather than turning their backs) we'd not be losing, when, in reality, it's an infinitesimally small factor that you've arbitrarily chosen as the hill you're going to die on. Calling them cowards to make it seem a more heinous crime is pathetic as well. We're losing because we're not pressing well, we're not using the ball well and we're not finishing chances. We're not organised defensively and we're not measured in our attacks. We rely way too much on individual incidents of ability, rather than team play. We have a good striker that we fail to provide for. We've a few technically gifted attacking midfielders that we don't support. Our lynchpin central midfielder is a selfish cunt whose prefers to spray Hollywood balls about the place and shoot from the halfway line, instead of using that passing range to build attacks consistently. We've seen a poorer iteration of this squad play pragmatically, with a mean defence and an efficient attack. Now, with better players we should still be able to be mean at the back, while playing with more verve at the other end. So no, cowardice isn't the fucking problem. Bruce and his cohort are. I agree with a lot of what you say,and I’ve highlighted a lot of what you have said in previous posts,which you may have missed.It’s a shame you’ve let yourself down by suggesting I believe only cowardice is the problem,which of course,you know I’ve never suggested it is.Maybe in your lifetime of supporting NUFC it’s been rife,and you know nothing different,but it certainly wasn’t happening not that many years ago.I never saw John McGrath do it,nor Moncur,nor Pat Howard,nor Peter Jackson,nor Darren Peacock,nor Steve Howey,nor Nick The Greek,nor Woodgate.In fact I cannot remember anyone in those era’s showing the cowardice I now see on regular occasions.As I’ve said in earlier posts,they don’t always end up in goals.We could have a very good forward line with a decent mid-field,but if defenders intentionally allow shots to be on target,we’re asking for trouble.To repeat myself,it’s not down to poor players playing poorly,and it’s not down to excellent play by the opposition.It’s usually defenders refusing to defend.Just as well it’s not rife in cricket,although Stewart Broad is no stranger to similar cowardice when he’s batting. Edited August 27, 2021 by essembeeofsunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) The issue with the Ings goal wasn't Fede turning his back, it was the fact he was fucking 10yds away from his man whilst marking him on a long throw Edited August 27, 2021 by Kid Dynamite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20133 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 The super league teams should have had a transfer ban or spending ban of some sort. That cunt will be on 500k a week no doubt. It's obscene man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 @essembeeofsunderland also, turning your back as someone is shooting is not simply an act of self-preservation it has historically been part of making yourself big with built in plausible deniability - ie. You turn your back so that it is perpendicular to the trajectory of the ball and extend your arms outwards casting the largest possible surface area to block or deflect the ball. If it strikes your arm then it couldn't possibly have been hand to ball as your back was turned. Of course with the introduction of new rules for natural position of hands this is no longer applicable, so it's muscle memory from learned behaviour that causes players to do this. It's really nowhere near as big an issue as you make out and has little to do with cowardice. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 It is a strange obsession like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 19 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: The issue with the Ings goal wasn't Fede turning his back, it was the fact he was fucking 10yds away from his man whilst marking him on a long throw It contributed towards us conceding but turning his back and getting out the way played a massive part so it was an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: It is a strange obsession like It’s of interest to you so we’re happy 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20133 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 He's a bright lad this one. Must have connections 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42428 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 “ Growing possibility” Throbber. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 There’s also a “growing possibility” Steve Bruce is exactly as shit at management as we all said. Fucking Edwards man, what a rare looking cunt he is. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
247 597 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 A growing possibly that Mike Ashley will put on a few more kilos this year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Unless Willock is on the combined wages of Carroll, Atsu, Muto, Lejeune, Longstaff and Saivet (and a chunky fee from the Armstrong transfer) how the fuck is there no money for a loan signing? Edited August 29, 2021 by Kid Dynamite 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9205 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: Unless Willock is on the combined wages of Carroll, Atsu, Muto, Lejeune, Longstaff and Saivet (and a chunky fee from the Armstrong transfer) how the fuck is there no money for a loan signing? mikey's earmarked our transfer warchest for his future son in law.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58340082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: Unless Willock is on the combined wages of Carroll, Atsu, Muto, Lejeune, Longstaff and Saivet (and a chunky fee from the Armstrong transfer) how the fuck is there no money for a loan signing? I think it just boils down to the owner and/or Charnley thinking we’re ok. I.e. this squad will keep us up. We know that’s the aim and they also have a track record of not acting until it’s too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alex said: I think it just boils down to the owner and/or Charnley thinking we’re ok. I.e. this squad will keep us up. We know that’s the aim and they also have a track record of not acting until it’s too late. Oh aye, I'm aware of how it works. It's just Bruce being a mouthpiece for the club. Can you imagine Rafa blowing smoke up Ashley's arse cos we released 6 players and signed 1 ... "we've spent more than I ever could have hoped for in my wildest dreams!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11266 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 28/08/2021 at 00:06, Tom said: I wonder who his first game is against Him smiling thinking about his united winning again (or bacon, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: mikey's earmarked our transfer warchest for his future son in law.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58340082 More Sports Direct advertising at SJP would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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