Ayatollah Hermione 14675 Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 I forget that not everyone is up to speed straight away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 3053 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 8 hours ago, Diego21 said: Barcelona DoF has confirmed Dembélé is out of the team because the player has rejected offers to renew his contract since last 6 months and the player should be out of the team in this January market in a permanent transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 1021 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, gurru991 said: I there a difference between having the wealthiest owners & being the wealthiest club ? Personally I don't think so. thats a good question. there are quite a few clubs whose owners have more money at their disposal than they would ever spend on football. The amount of deals that man city have backed away from due to the money being silly is crazy. When was the last time city were in a bidding war for a player? Man United went in for Alexis Sanchez and Fred, price went up, Man City left the table. Newcastle are now in the position that they can pay any amount, and for a while they might, but they probably won't once established. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 299 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Alexsleftfoot said: Whats Lingards usual position on the pitch? Attacking midfielder. Can play all central or wide, but central I'd argue is where his best game is. It is as good a signing as Trippier if we get him , he had a dark stage mentally but he got his mojo back. He just wants first team football and he'll deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49969 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 As you might expect, no further responses from Captain Bullshit. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14675 Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 What a bellend he is Trotted out on SSN to fill time to waffle on about the 48th Barca-Real Madrid match of the season and he thinks he’s the cat’s meow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 36598 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 He's the Spanish version of Obertan's ugly brother on SSN..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36722 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Tom said: Seems weird seeing Sellars in that kit I think he maybe only played in if ore-season as he went soon after Ginola came in iirc. Odd to think how much less of a squad game it was then. Class player imo. Underrated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11323 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 15 hours ago, Howay said: I don’t think overpaying now = overpaying forever. We would have a stronger hand in negotiations later on after improvements and will be able to do things like allow contracts to run down etc. I don’t think anyone is saying overpay and get Carlos for £80m. The point is more if that’s absolutely Sevilla’s ask we need to walk away, we’ve spent 3 weeks chasing two CBs and have none. If we had went after others who may not be as good we might have improved our CB position - maybe overpaid a bit like we did for Wood, and went back into negotiations over Carlos with a stronger hand when he turned more into a nice to have rather than the must have he seems like at the moment. Hopefully we do bring players in, but at the moment it’s an awfully big ask to bring in what we need in a little over a week. There's no guarantee of that, who's to say that every transfer won't be drawn out and expensive? Wood had a release clause that we could pay and plays in a position that was an immediate concern. Centreback wasn't as vital as centre forward because, for all they're not very good we do at least own some centre backs. Chasing Botman and Carlos wasn't obviously doomed to fail from the off, so I don't mind them spending time trying to get the deals done. But spending over the odds on an average CB will impact; squad spaces, transfer kitty, the price of the next one and so on. And there's no guarantee they'd be better than what we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11323 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 15 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Who has said get Carlos for £80m? From what we have seen they want a decen wedge yes, but we have offered a smaller up front and made up with bonuses. We need to be realistic from out point of view too. That's his release clause. That's what's being reported for the Ekitike deal, but I've not seen that for the Carlos deal. It makes sense to try and use bonuses to limit our liability, be foolish not to. We can't just toss £40m at Sevilla up front, because we could still go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBass 3045 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12521449/david-ornstein-newcastle-or-no-move-for-jesse-lingard-this-month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22883 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Fish said: That's his release clause. That's what's being reported for the Ekitike deal, but I've not seen that for the Carlos deal. It makes sense to try and use bonuses to limit our liability, be foolish not to. We can't just toss £40m at Sevilla up front, because we could still go down. So basically nobody has said that have they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11323 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, wykikitoon said: So basically nobody has said that have they? That's his release clause. That's the only way we can force the deal through without negotiations that drag on. Wise up Wykiki or I'll get HR onto you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22883 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 You were coming from the angle that people were saying pay that sort of money for him. I think even the Twitter plebs aren't saying that. Like you said and many others have said, there's a balancing act. I think we are all in agreement. But by the sounds of things the stall maybe we are not offering realistic deals to start off with. Small payment up front and then silly add ons. Of course all that is hear say and nobody really knows apart from the clubs. Let's be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11323 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: You were coming from the angle that people were saying pay that sort of money for him. I think even the Twitter plebs aren't saying that. Like you said and many others have said, there's a balancing act. I think we are all in agreement. But by the sounds of things the stall maybe we are not offering realistic deals to start off with. Small payment up front and then silly add ons. Of course all that is hear say and nobody really knows apart from the clubs. Let's be honest. This is the thing. We've no idea what's really going on. Sevilla might be demanding £40m up front and because of various things we justifiably don't want to do that. The player wants to leave, this much is clear, so if they can find a centreback to replace him there may be movement towards the end of the window. Zen yourself mate. Worst case scenario, we don't bring in enough improvements and we go down. We'll piss the Championship with a bespoke team, then come back up and quickly get amongst the top half of the table, and chase trophies thereafter. Some Newcastle fans have been born, went to school, graduated, and are eyeing retirement without seeing us win a meaningful pot, that wait is soon to be over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7637 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I understand people's concerns. The current squad will go down. We've got 9 days to get players in and we seem to have been treading water with the same names for the last fortnight. And there's plenty of teams that have gone down to the championship, spent good money and still failed to come back up. I'd rather not have to do it for a 3rd time in recent memory. I don't think it's bed wetting, just people sounding off understandable worries! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 But there's also the fact that the vast majority of deals get done late in the window, especially any loan deals. I'll forgo wearing my white capri pants if it's the last day of the window, and we still only have Wood and Trippier in through the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 3053 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 “It’s been a fruitless search this week.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarboy 2317 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Translation: These players are shit lads, but we have to make them believe that we wouldn't tip them all in the bin and sign a whole new squad if we could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBass 3045 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49969 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Like us, Sevilla's last game in Jan is tomorrow. I would hope that things with Carlos move forward after that. Suspect they've been trying to have their cake and eat it by getting all their Jan matches out of him AND whatever deal they're demanding from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If Seville allow him to come here we will know by them buying a new CB to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, The Fish said: There's no guarantee of that, who's to say that every transfer won't be drawn out and expensive? Wood had a release clause that we could pay and plays in a position that was an immediate concern. Centreback wasn't as vital as centre forward because, for all they're not very good we do at least own some centre backs. Chasing Botman and Carlos wasn't obviously doomed to fail from the off, so I don't mind them spending time trying to get the deals done. But spending over the odds on an average CB will impact; squad spaces, transfer kitty, the price of the next one and so on. And there's no guarantee they'd be better than what we've got. There’s not a guarantee of anything, no, but I can’t imagine that’s the case and there’s no players anywhere better than we have that we can’t get without massively overpaying for. All these positions are equally as vital, as it’s clear we aren’t winning games without improving them. Your point also lends itself to the overpaying argument, as if there’s no one we can get without overpaying then we need to overpay. We can’t expect to bounce back from the Championship next year with a bespoke squad if we refuse to overpay for anyone, we can all assume the summer window might be easier but for us it might not be and then the issue is you’re taking the earnings hit on top of overpaying for players you should expect to have little or no use for a year later (unless some are younger players with potential). I want to be clear that I blame Ashley, but I don’t think we should act like everything this lot do is some methodical plan, they can and imo clearly are (the time the manager search took) making mistakes. I understand we might go down and rebuild, but I’m just critiquing what I see from them on the basis of trying to stay up - and it does give me some nerves about this assumption we will go down and piss the league type stuff as we absolutely do need to buy to win in the championship something they’ve been struggling with. We can list the mitigating factors of why the January window is hard but at the same time they have made very slow progress - hopefully we have what we need by the end of the window, but if we don’t I think the concern over their perceived hardline desire to not be ripped off is a valid one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23642 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, Ken said: If Seville allow him to come here we will know by them buying a new CB to replace him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: I understand people's concerns. The current squad will go down. We've got 9 days to get players in and we seem to have been treading water with the same names for the last fortnight. And there's plenty of teams that have gone down to the championship, spent good money and still failed to come back up. I'd rather not have to do it for a 3rd time in recent memory. I don't think it's bed wetting, just people sounding off understandable worries! Spot on. As I’ve said before maybe behind the scenes we are working on 10 different options for CB and are running into brick walls but I can only comment on what I see, which as you say seems like we’ve been focusing on the same targets whose clubs are asking for a level of overpayment we won’t make. The second paragraph is my concern, that coupled with this supposed worry about overpaying and being difficult (again all public/reported it may not be true but it’s what we see), I just don’t see this “we will buy our way out of the championship immediately” that others do yes the summer window is easier but clubs will still hold us to ransom. I really don’t want to be a championship team again. It’s shite, the referees are fucking mental down there, and as a person that’s proud of where I’m from and proud of my club I’m sick to the back teeth of the piss taking and a relegation will create an avalanche of it. As I noted in my other post I blame Ashley for where we are, not the current owners however I don’t think they should be absolved of any criticism or worry about their methods simply because they’re rich and we assume it’ll click into gear. If we go down, we go down and I’m still 100% behind them and Howe - as like I say I don’t blame them like I blame Ashley, but at the moment they have a chance to change things as we have been fortunate to be 2 points behind but so far we’ve barely improved. Edited January 21, 2022 by Howay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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