Sonatine 11304 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21231 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, Alex said: You can imagine what town will be like in tier 3. All non-essential shops being allowed to open in the run up to Xmas. They’ll be fucking heaving because people will have nothing else to do. It’s ridiculous Exactly what Mrs Rents just said, and it's true. All these people usually in the pub, restaurant, cafe, cinema, match have to be somewhere. I am clinging to the hope we will go to tier 2 in 2 weeks because this is looking fucking grim. How many places can survive an Xmas lockdown? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Renton said: All these people usually in the pub, restaurant, cafe, cinema, match have to be somewhere. Yes, it's called THEIR FUCKING HOMES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (I realise we're way past that point now really. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 More corruption no doubt. https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/26/ex-pub-landlord-at-matt-hancocks-local-wins-big-nhs-contract-13658326/?ito=facebook|social|metroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR1qW0rI3NnxDKV0uesoOG_qo_iB66DOVNAvkWfig8Qoa3639B46Oe6qL5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7069 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 My step gran died last week, funeral on 9th December. Is anyone able to tell me if I am allowed to go to a tier 3 from a tier 2? Never mind the other funeral rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17067 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 My elderly aunt died last week...funeral is a week Monday in Edinburgh...not seen anything to tell me I can't go, lots to say I shouldn't though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Sorry for both your losses. We do things differently over here so can’t offer much advice other than do what you what is right and safe for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32713 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I've no idea either, lads and sorry about your losses. Tempted to say just turn up with a mask and play it by ear? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Condolences lads, sorry I can’t help you with advice. If it’s any consolation, I doubt Half Mancock or his advisors could help you either, and they made the rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17067 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I've no idea either, lads and sorry about your losses. Tempted to say just turn up with a mask and play it by ear? Im definitely breaking the rules by staying at my brothers for two nights, but he’s got a massive house,...I’ve basically got a wing to myself There’s only 20 allowed to go, and you’ve got to give contact details because if COVID regs at the Crematorium....can’t see what they can do tbh.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I see the data coming out of the Oxford vaccine trial is looking ropier by the day. Cherry picking results, the 90% figure only tested in under 55s etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:10, ewerk said: Have they got enough evidence to verify the 90% figure? ewerk Times: Tomorrow’s News Yesterday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 A widely used vaccine that’s 90% effective for under 55s would stop a lot of transmission though. Obviously they aren’t the group most at risk but fortunately there are other options out there for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 @trophyshy @PaddockLad Sorry to hear that, lads 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4365 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Alex said: A widely used vaccine that’s 90% effective for under 55s would stop a lot of transmission though. Obviously they aren’t the group most at risk but fortunately there are other options out there for them. I was a bit depressed last night assuming the worst about the Oxford figure fiddling but you're right - 22.5 million over 55s and other vulnerable get Pfizer/Moderna and everybody else getting Oxford works out pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: I see the data coming out of the Oxford vaccine trial is looking ropier by the day. Cherry picking results, the 90% figure only tested in under 55s etc Johnson probably asked for the results to be palatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21231 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, NJS said: I was a bit depressed last night assuming the worst about the Oxford figure fiddling but you're right - 22.5 million over 55s and other vulnerable get Pfizer/Moderna and everybody else getting Oxford works out pretty well. I thought there was a lack of participants in the over 55 category, not that it was ineffective? And in fact data from the full dose cohort showed the vaccine is equally effective in all age groups? So I'm not sure whether the negativity here is justified tbh. Also I'm not aware of data from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines stratified by age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21801 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 condolences @trophyshy and @PaddockLad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4365 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Renton said: I thought there was a lack of participants in the over 55 category, not that it was ineffective? And in fact data from the full dose cohort showed the vaccine is equally effective in all age groups? So I'm not sure whether the negativity here is justified tbh. Also I'm not aware of data from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines stratified by age. You're right that it was lack of over 55s on the half dose regime rather than it failing but I thought the need for more data and an extended trial just delays things a bit. Having said that if the US doesn't accept it that might make the initial UK delivery more sure. I had the impression the other two were stated to be good across the entire age range but perhaps more or clearer data is needed there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 17 hours ago, Anorthernsoul said: Higher cases in London and rising. Lower cases in the North East and falling. Went into Lockdown from Tier 2 and came out in Tier 3. Self serving fucking cunts couldn't give a fuck about the North. Mind, if it was the inner London boroughs that had the higher rates here, I reckon we'd be Tier 3 too. But because it's mostly the Tory-voting outskirts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21231 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, NJS said: You're right that it was lack of over 55s on the half dose regime rather than it failing but I thought the need for more data and an extended trial just delays things a bit. Having said that if the US doesn't accept it that might make the initial UK delivery more sure. I had the impression the other two were stated to be good across the entire age range but perhaps more or clearer data is needed there too. It's definitely above the 50% efficacy threshold, it's safe (the technology behind it is well characterised), and cheap. I hope they roll it out ASAP. Once that happens though you can't ethically do another RCT against placebo, although you could trial the vaccines against each other. I've no idea how feasible that is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21231 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 The horror of this shit show going into mid January is dawning on me now. Meals I had booked cancelled. Kid's pantomime, cancelled. No cafés to warm you up on a walk. Stuck at home for 2 weeks with the kids with fuck all to do. Oh, but you can see some extended family for 5 days at Xmas. Great Is it true that they have no real intention of reviewing this in 3 weeks time? We could be down to low levels by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4365 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I think the bill says a fortnightly review but Hancock "promised" weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Renton said: The horror of this shit show going into mid January is dawning on me now. Meals I had booked cancelled. Kid's pantomime, cancelled. No cafés to warm you up on a walk. Stuck at home for 2 weeks with the kids with fuck all to do. Oh, but you can see some extended family for 5 days at Xmas. Great Is it true that they have no real intention of reviewing this in 3 weeks time? We could be down to low levels by then. I think January is going to be worse sadly. By the time it’s over I won’t have had physical contact with another human being for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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