Coronavirus

[Gemmill 44931]

Congrats on the impending wedding, Anthony. 

[Alex 35095]

It’s being reported that police will not have the authority to enforce social distancing. Presumably it’s part of the strategy to blame the general public for the inevitable spike in deaths in about three weeks 

[wykikitoon 20198]

Yorkshire Police chief said this on Sunday evening.

[wykikitoon 20198]

But also, this has sort of being the case from day one.  I have recently been past parks and green areas and whilst busier, people are social distancing.

[Alex 35095]

This new thing at the daily briefing where they answer questions from the public is beyond pathetic 

[Dougle 3338]

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

14 minutes ago, Ant said:

Reasonably sized company here is about to get shafted royally going by posts from another local forum

 

Guy got laid off, and now has it in writing from hr that his redundancy payment is in staggered drops over May and june as its being paid by utlising the government retention scheme...

Unbelievably scummy 

 

 

 

 

Is that not illegal? 

[ewerk 30631]

18 minutes ago, Ant said:

Reasonably sized company here is about to get shafted royally going by posts from another local forum

 

Guy got laid off, and now has it in writing from hr that his redundancy payment is in staggered drops over May and june as its being paid by utlising the government retention scheme...

Unbelievably scummy 

 

 

 

 

Who was that?

[Tdansmith 3259]

9 hours ago, Ant said:

Reasonably sized company here is about to get shafted royally going by posts from another local forum

 

Guy got laid off, and now has it in writing from hr that his redundancy payment is in staggered drops over May and june as its being paid by utlising the government retention scheme...

Unbelievably scummy 

 

 

 

 

I think you may have redundancy payment mixed up with payment in lieu. 

Companies can furlough employees while also serving them their notice.

So in effect the government pays them 80% of their pay in lieu (company pay 20%) paid over how many weeks notice they're entitled to. This is taxed as normal.

 

Then after the weeks in lieu they will then get any redundancy money owed, this is tax free.

 

[Tdansmith 3259]

4 minutes ago, Ant said:

 

He didn't sign any furlough contract or agree to be furloughed via email 

Did the Union in the place sign a collective agreement  ?

Either way companies can't use the Job Retention Scheme to pay a redundancy.  If they have tried to they will not get the money off the government.  The company has to pay the furloughed workers up front and then claim the money back, no way will they get it back if it's used for redundancy payment.

[Renton 21635]

So, the antibody test works (pretty much 100% diagnostic accuracy) and will be rolled out. It's already been used extensively in Spain, with a survey of 60,000 people. From what I interpret, the news is bleak. Despite the country being badly affected, only about 5% of people are positive for covid exposure, rising to about 12% in Madrid, which had a terrible epidemic.

 

So, this infers 2 things. First, we are miles away from herd immunity, even if antibodies afford an individual protection (a massive unknown). Second, the virus is much more lethal than thought. It probably kills 1 to 2% of people who get it, and hospitalises 10 times that. Looks to me like a worst case scenario is in the offing quite frankly.  

 

On the more positive side, I really think science will get the better of this eventually so that things become more bearable. But I think the chances of getting back to normal in the next few years are slim indeed.

[Rayvin 5223]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

So, the antibody test works (pretty much 100% diagnostic accuracy) and will be rolled out. It's already been used extensively in Spain, with a survey of 60,000 people. From what I interpret, the news is bleak. Despite the country being badly affected, only about 5% of people are positive for covid exposure, rising to about 12% in Madrid, which had a terrible epidemic.

 

So, this infers 2 things. First, we are miles away from herd immunity, even if antibodies afford an individual protection (a massive unknown). Second, the virus is much more lethal than thought. It probably kills 1 to 2% of people who get it, and hospitalises 10 times that. Looks to me like a worst case scenario is in the offing quite frankly.  

 

On the more positive side, I really think science will get the better of this eventually so that things become more bearable. But I think the chances of getting back to normal in the next few years are slim indeed.

 

I mean absolutely no disrespect with this comment because i think you've made some valuable insights and have a good track record on analysis of this stuff, but is what you've just said your own personal opinion based on interpretation of the numbers, or is that what the wider press and scientific bodies are now saying? I only ask because one assessment can never be as strong as a body of assessments.

 

And idk, I kind of hope you're wrong.

[Dr Gloom 21940]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

So, the antibody test works (pretty much 100% diagnostic accuracy) and will be rolled out. It's already been used extensively in Spain, with a survey of 60,000 people. From what I interpret, the news is bleak. Despite the country being badly affected, only about 5% of people are positive for covid exposure, rising to about 12% in Madrid, which had a terrible epidemic.

 

So, this infers 2 things. First, we are miles away from herd immunity, even if antibodies afford an individual protection (a massive unknown). Second, the virus is much more lethal than thought. It probably kills 1 to 2% of people who get it, and hospitalises 10 times that. Looks to me like a worst case scenario is in the offing quite frankly.  

 

On the more positive side, I really think science will get the better of this eventually so that things become more bearable. But I think the chances of getting back to normal in the next few years are slim indeed.

[Renton 21635]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I mean absolutely no disrespect with this comment because i think you've made some valuable insights and have a good track record on analysis of this stuff, but is what you've just said your own personal opinion based on interpretation of the numbers, or is that what the wider press and scientific bodies are now saying? I only ask because one assessment can never be as strong as a body of assessments.

 

And idk, I kind of hope you're wrong.

 

Just some basic maths in my head, a bit of knowledge,  and talking with non-specialist colleagues (medics but not epidemiologists). I'm just a guy on the internet, I appreciate that, but then this is just a message board. Tbh I do get a bit sick of being called a doom monger as Gloom has just done. I'm just trying to interpret facts as I see them, prettymuch what I do for a living.

 

I guess ask yourself would governments all around the world have reacted the way they did if this was not a clear and deadly threat, almost existential with regard to how society normally functions? We're all welcome to our opinions on that, facts however, are facts. You need to bypass the political shit and look to the science for the truth. 

[Dr Gloom 21940]

27 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Just some basic maths in my head, a bit of knowledge,  and talking with non-specialist colleagues (medics but not epidemiologists). I'm just a guy on the internet, I appreciate that, but then this is just a message board. Tbh I do get a bit sick of being called a doom monger as Gloom has just done. I'm just trying to interpret facts as I see them, prettymuch what I do for a living.

 

I guess ask yourself would governments all around the world have reacted the way they did if this was not a clear and deadly threat, almost existential with regard to how society normally functions? We're all welcome to our opinions on that, facts however, are facts. You need to bypass the political shit and look to the science for the truth. 

i'm only taking the piss. i'm not optimistic about the outlook either. i think we are going to see cycles where we ease restrictions, cases spike and lockdowns are enforced so the NHS isn't overwhelmed. rinse and repeat until we get the vaccine

Edited May 14, 2020 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 21940]

29 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Just some basic maths in my head, a bit of knowledge,  and talking with non-specialist colleagues (medics but not epidemiologists). I'm just a guy on the internet, I appreciate that, but then this is just a message board. Tbh I do get a bit sick of being called a doom monger as Gloom has just done. I'm just trying to interpret facts as I see them, prettymuch what I do for a living.

 

I guess ask yourself would governments all around the world have reacted the way they did if this was not a clear and deadly threat, almost existential with regard to how society normally functions? We're all welcome to our opinions on that, facts however, are facts. You need to bypass the political shit and look to the science for the truth. 

i think you're absolutely right. i also think your early prediction of 100k deaths in the UK is already looking optimistic. at the time, it sounded like loads.  

Edited May 14, 2020 by Dr Gloom

[Renton 21635]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

i'm only taking the piss. i'm not optimistic about the outlook either. i think we are going to see cycles where we ease restrictions, cases spike and lockdowns are enforced so the NHS isn't overwhelmed. rinse and repeat until we get the vaccine

 

Aye, I know. Some people were hoping there was already mass exposure, with most people having mild symptoms or being asymptomatic. I never got why people thought that and honestly think it was just wishful thinking. I think this antibody research will put pay to that hope unfortunately.

 

Then you have frankly morons like CT peddling his "you're more likely to die in a car crash" bull shit. It makes me angry because these lies affect individuals' behaviours and puts us all at more risk.

 

On a related note, I'm fucking miffed by the government's new guidance you can drive to exercise too, it's going to make where I live much higher risk. Car parks were filling up at 7.30 this morning. Our lock down has been pathetic by international standards and we are all going to pay for it in the end. 

[spongebob toonpants 3997]

18 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

 

On a related note, I'm fucking miffed by the government's new guidance you can drive to exercise too, it's going to make where I live much higher risk. 

Yes, this advice is a nightmare. I live in Brighton and we are going to invaded by the very people who are most likely to bring the disease with them and behave in worst way to spread it.

[NJS 4389]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

So, the antibody test works (pretty much 100% diagnostic accuracy) and will be rolled out. It's already been used extensively in Spain, with a survey of 60,000 people. From what I interpret, the news is bleak. Despite the country being badly affected, only about 5% of people are positive for covid exposure, rising to about 12% in Madrid, which had a terrible epidemic.

 

So, this infers 2 things. First, we are miles away from herd immunity, even if antibodies afford an individual protection (a massive unknown). Second, the virus is much more lethal than thought. It probably kills 1 to 2% of people who get it, and hospitalises 10 times that. Looks to me like a worst case scenario is in the offing quite frankly.  

 

On the more positive side, I really think science will get the better of this eventually so that things become more bearable. But I think the chances of getting back to normal in the next few years are slim indeed.

The "problem" with the lockdown is that it's reduced the exposure which is of course its purpose. I always thought it was wishful thinking that millions were exposed to it in February /March. I suppose that's why the people who do have it are those who didn't lockdown plus the care homes. 

[NJS 4389]

I went to the co-op for my twice weekly shop this morning - bloke in front in the queue said to the assistant "at least we'll be back to normal soon". 

 

I just shook my head. 

[Alex 35095]

The antibody test results from Spain make the recent actions from the government even more reckless. Like fuck am I sending my kids back to school as part of the evil cunts’ latest experiment 

[Dr Gloom 21940]

Great

Coronavirus may never go away, World Health Organization warns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52643682

[Renton 21635]

8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Great

Coronavirus may never go away, World Health Organization warns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52643682

 

I think the message is slowly coming out we're canny fucked. It's likely to become endemic for a long time. We need to get it down to very low levels and track and trace. We haven't done the former and haven't the capacity for the latter at the moment. Germany has some how.....

 

 

[Toonpack 9443]

5 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I think the message is slowly coming out we're canny fucked. It's likely to become endemic for a long time. We need to get it down to very low levels and track and trace. We haven't done the former and haven't the capacity for the latter at the moment. Germany has some how.....

 

 

Germany has a scientist in charge, us? not so much

[Dougle 3338]

The German thing is as bollocks as the rest of the world..... Opening up fucking churches/mosques/synagogues. Because worshipping god is an essential that can’t be done from yem…. Scientific my arse.

Oh aye and the salt shaker shite. Bollocks.