Christmas Tree 4711 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Renton said: We're in this horrendous situation precisely because 9f the politics of it. People like you put people like Johnson in charge for the last 10 years. Remember when Gove said we'd had enough of experts, and you clapped like a seal? Well look the fuck where that has got us, and yet still we are refusing to show solidarity with nations who have coped with this much better and just compounding our problems by going for a no deal Brexit. It's fucking insane. Sometimes I wonder what it would take to permeate your skull, and I honestly think nothing can. When the country is in a disaster largely of the PMs making, suddenly you're not interested in politics. Sorry, thought it was possible to address the moral dilemma facing the world without Brexit or politics. It’s a lot bigger than that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13837 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Literally everything is political, hope that helps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Sorry, thought it was possible to address the moral dilemma facing the world without Brexit or politics. It’s a lot bigger than that really. It's not though. The point is we have the PM we have, and the government we have. What you or I think is irrelevant, but you put your faith in these people, not me. I'm not talking about past mistakes here, as grave as they are. Johnson has shown that he's incompetent by every policy decision he's made. Why would that change now? I mean look at the new fucking logo. Wht would you pursue a hard Brexit when you know it will just damage the country further? Etc. We're fucked with this government in charge. The importance of good governance has never been clearer, populism is unfolding as a disaster in front of our eyes, and we're powerless to stop it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30370 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Sorry, thought it was possible to address the moral dilemma facing the world without Brexit or politics. It’s a lot bigger than that really. This shouldn’t be political, it should be scientific. The science says that the reproduction rate is still too high to ease lockdown yet there were government sources briefing the papers last week that lockdown was going to effectively end tomorrow. Unfortunately the people in charge of this are the politicians that the country elected and they’ve been just as inept as many of us feared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Sorry, thought it was possible to address the moral dilemma facing the world without Brexit or politics. It’s a lot bigger than that really. You’re stupid, naive and ignorant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13837 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 "It's not political" is a very convenient narrative for the government to push to try and deflect any blame. You'd have to be fucking thick to lap that up but here we are. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Ayatollah Hermione said: "It's not political" is a very convenient narrative for the government to push to try and deflect any blame. You'd have to be fucking thick to lap that up but here we are. Nailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Renton said: It's not though. The point is we have the PM we have, and the government we have. What you or I think is irrelevant, but you put your faith in these people, not me. I'm not talking about past mistakes here, as grave as they are. Johnson has shown that he's incompetent by every policy decision he's made. Why would that change now? I mean look at the new fucking logo. Wht would you pursue a hard Brexit when you know it will just damage the country further? Etc. We're fucked with this government in charge. The importance of good governance has never been clearer, populism is unfolding as a disaster in front of our eyes, and we're powerless to stop it. You can debate all that til the cows come home but that has nothing to do with my moral question on corona virus. Permanent lockdown is unsustainable. How long are “us” prepared to never visit parents, never see grandkids, never go to a match, restaurant, concert, stop kids going to school, playing with friends, meeting a mate, falling in love? You know fine well there is no guarantee a vaccine will be found. All im alluding too is that the way out of this is probably fundamental changes in the way we shield the over 75’s and those at serious risk rather than a continuous game of cat and mouse with the r factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13837 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: You can debate all that til the cows come home but that has nothing to do with my moral question on corona virus. Permanent lockdown is unsustainable. How long are “us” prepared to never visit parents, never see grandkids, never go to a match, restaurant, concert, stop kids going to school, playing with friends, meeting a mate, falling in love? It's been 6 weeks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: This shouldn’t be political, it should be scientific. The science says that the reproduction rate is still too high to ease lockdown yet there were government sources briefing the papers last week that lockdown was going to effectively end tomorrow. Unfortunately the people in charge of this are the politicians that the country elected and they’ve been just as inept as many of us feared. There is obviously a political reality that at some point we are all fucked if we don’t end lockdown. Thats how we concentrate on how we do it and partly why I’ve said what I’ve said today. If “people” remove a vaccine from their thought process then it’s easier to address what we probably should really be concentrating on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 The blitz spirit brigade are broken after 6 weeks sitting in their back garden 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 On reflection, my question is this. WHO announce no vaccine possible. What next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: There is obviously a political reality that at some point we are all fucked if we don’t end lockdown. Thats how we concentrate on how we do it and partly why I’ve said what I’ve said today. If “people” remove a vaccine from their thought process then it’s easier to address what we probably should really be concentrating on now. Here, man. This literally boils down to you being bored because it’s not sunny, you fat little cunt Edited May 10, 2020 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: You can debate all that til the cows come home but that has nothing to do with my moral question on corona virus. Permanent lockdown is unsustainable. How long are “us” prepared to never visit parents, never see grandkids, never go to a match, restaurant, concert, stop kids going to school, playing with friends, meeting a mate, falling in love? You know fine well there is no guarantee a vaccine will be found. All im alluding too is that the way out of this is probably fundamental changes in the way we shield the over 75’s and those at serious risk rather than a continuous game of cat and mouse with the r factor. Well we're fucked aren't we? We missed the chance to get the prevalence down to a level where we could contain or even eradicate this. This despite having several weeks advance knowledge over Italy and being an island. So now we can either have this half hearted lock down permanently until a technological solution is found, or just let it run riot and kill hundreds of thousands. Not all of whom will be old or sick. Every decision we have made has been wrong or too late. I fully expect this to continue and for this country to be a basket case come next election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, ewerk said: This shouldn’t be political, it should be scientific. The science says that the reproduction rate is still too high to ease lockdown yet there were government sources briefing the papers last week that lockdown was going to effectively end tomorrow. Unfortunately the people in charge of this are the politicians that the country elected and they’ve been just as inept as many of us feared. What happened to being guided by the science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30370 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: On reflection, my question is this. WHO announce no vaccine possible. What next? Why would we need to contemplate that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30370 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Dr Gloom said: What happened to being guided by the science? I think they are largely still being guided by the science but it’s their communications, implementation and messaging that have been fucking awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Funny how the fuckers who voted for these jokers don’t want to politicise this. Own your shit for once because, until you do, the country is knackered 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: On reflection, my question is this. WHO announce no vaccine possible. What next? Well why deal in unlikely hyptheticals? You see once again, if we had handled this properly we could have bought ourselves time with only limited disruption to the economy. Like the most of Northern Europe. Countries with decent governance and who listen to so called experts. Anyway, your solution will be whatever Johnson comes up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: Why would we need to contemplate that? To focus minds on what we should do now. Nationalise care homes, build nightingale care homes, transfer all care staff to NHS status. Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11329 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: To focus minds on what we should do now. Nationalise care homes, build nightingale care homes, transfer all care staff to NHS status. Etc Ha ha ha. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 What benefit would a national unity government give us? Other than allowing the Tories to share the blame? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 To let the people who voted for this government off the hook? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: What benefit would a national unity government give us? Other than allowing the Tories to share the blame? Because the new normal is going to need everyone, politicians, business, unions working together to create it. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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