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[Meenzer 15449]

13 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

No grandeur at all, I just googled it and apparently since Brexit exports are way down.

 

coincidence probably

 

They're higher than they were when the EU-UK trade deal came into force, if that's relevant at all.

 

[Dr Gloom 21861]

4 hours ago, Asprilla said:

Out of interest what is the normal daily death rate for this time of year?

This time of year? It’s not the weather forecast

[Asprilla 96]

8 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

They're higher than they were when the EU-UK trade deal came into force, if that's relevant at all.

 

The Sterling to Euro rate is higher than it was after Brexit too...

 

I guess if it crashes low enough then upticks look good

[Meenzer 15449]

22 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

The Sterling to Euro rate is higher than it was after Brexit too...

 

I guess if it crashes low enough then upticks look good

 

In absolute numbers, not value.

 

EDIT: Oh okay, I see what you mean. Of course there are baseline comparison factors because of Covid, but still, if the December figures are better than the January ones then that suggests the net impact from Brexit actually coming into force hasn't been too brutal just yet.

[Asprilla 96]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

This time of year? It’s not the weather forecast

Every year a certain amount of deaths occur due to flu and colds, especially among elderly and health compromised people during the winter.

 

it’s a relevant stat to use as a comparison

[Renton 21404]

23 minutes ago, OTF said:

 

Have you had a competent medical professional diagnose this and advise you not to take the vaccine? Have they also determined that the magical anti-vaxxer vaccine that is always on the horizon is safe for you and your "specific medical reasons" or are you talking absolute horse shit?

 

Looking at the SPC for Pfizer, for instance,  there are no contraindications to it at all other than known hypersensitivity to an excipient. In other words he's talking absolute horse shit. 

[Alex 34938]

I think there’s a fairly strong chance a lot of what he says isn’t true 

[Asprilla 96]

28 minutes ago, OTF said:

 

Have you had a competent medical professional diagnose this and advise you not to take the vaccine? Have they also determined that the magical anti-vaxxer vaccine that is always on the horizon is safe for you and your "specific medical reasons" or are you talking absolute horse shit?

 

 

Define competent medical professional

 

I have been given very different recommendations from various medical people over the years

 

novavax is an actual vaccine that has been delayed

 

there is nothing magical about it

 

i would just prefer to take it than the other vaccines and I’m not alone

[Isegrim 9741]

28 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

No grandeur at all, I just googled it and apparently since Brexit exports are way down.

 

coincidence probably

Yes, because there has been a decrease in demand especially in Europe generally. But do you really think people in other countries are buying less German cars because of Brexit? 

The biggest issue at the moment is the lack of chip units to produce cars.

Selling cars with fraudulent software didn’t help the reputation too.

[Asprilla 96]

2 hours ago, OTF said:

 

Do you think the vaccines have saved lives? If everyone was of your mindset how many more people would have died? It's as simple as that.

 

If you don't want to act in the interest of general society's health and well-being then why should you enjoy the other benefits that come from being in one? The truth is that authorities have to cater for the lowest common denominator when it comes to governing and you're putting yourself into that category with your current position.

 

Rayvin's post illustrates this nicely. You're not being asked to be an expert in healthcare, you're being asked to trust the countless years of collective research analysis and experience from the experts in the field and to act accordingly. You can't simply operate under a "dumb down a complex issue into something that makes sense to me" model because there's too much at risk and your actions extend beyond your own welfare.

So none of you smoke or are obese or drink too much?

 

Cause you know, those put a huge strain on the nhs

 

Just so I know that none of this is hypocritcal bs

[Asprilla 96]

5 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

Yes, because there has been a decrease in demand especially in Europe generally. But do you really think people in other countries are buying less German cars because of Brexit? 

The biggest issue at the moment is the lack of chip units to produce cars.

Selling cars with fraudulent software didn’t help the reputation too.

I’m certain that German car makers are selling fewer cars in the UK which is a very large market for them

[Asprilla 96]

14 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Looking at the SPC for Pfizer, for instance,  there are no contraindications to it at all other than known hypersensitivity to an excipient. In other words he's talking absolute horse shit. 

There are no long term studies on mRNA vaccines because they are new. That is why I don’t want to take one.

 

Vector vaccines have a relevant (to me) reported side effect.

[Renton 21404]

4 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

I’m certain that German car makers are selling fewer cars in the UK which is a very large market for them

 

You're certain are you? Is this decine restricted to German cars or across the board? Do you have any sources or is this just gut feeling? 

[Isegrim 9741]

Just now, Asprilla said:

I’m certain that German car makers are selling fewer cars in the UK which is a very large market for them

They are andd they do also sell less cars elsewhere. But there hasn’t been any pressure to offset those losses elsewhere by priorising the UK market.

As I did mentioned but the benefits from the EU are seen as being more valuable than selling cars to the UK by the car industry itself. That’s why Brexit and the loss in sales as well as the new trade barriers aren’t seen as the main problem the industry does face right now.

[NJS 4375]

3 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

There are no long term studies on mRNA vaccines because they are new. That is why I don’t want to take one.

 

Vector vaccines have a relevant (to me) reported side effect.

J&J and AZ are both very much traditional vaccines - probably even more so than Novovax. 

[Asprilla 96]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

You're certain are you? Is this decine restricted to German cars or across the board? Do you have any sources or is this just gut feeling? 

You’re welcome to google if you want.

 

my guess is that car exports to the UK from all of the EU are down since Brexit but since car manufacture is a bigger part of the German economy I used that as an example

[Renton 21404]

3 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

There are no long term studies on mRNA vaccines because they are new. That is why I don’t want to take one.

 

Vector vaccines have a relevant (to me) reported side effect.

 

Well there's the precautionary principle and then there is sheer lunacy.. I suspect you have bought into some anti-vax bollocks about your DNA being altered and you fancy yourself as some Charrlton Heston hermit in post-dystopian zombie apocalypse. Is that about it? 

[OTF 7286]

9 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

So none of you smoke or are obese or drink too much?

 

Cause you know, those put a huge strain on the nhs

 

Just so I know that none of this is hypocritcal bs

 

I don't smoke, I'm not obese and I have the occassional drink, don't remember the last time I was properly drunk. But none of this is even remotely relevant.

 

Even if I did all of the above at once whilst bonnet surfing down the highway the NHS should be safe.

[Renton 21404]

1 minute ago, Asprilla said:

You’re welcome to google if you want.

 

my guess is that car exports to the UK from all of the EU are down since Brexit but since car manufacture is a bigger part of the German economy I used that as an example

 

You make the claim but I have to Google it?

And then you admit it's a guess anyway. Righto.

[Asprilla 96]

2 minutes ago, NJS said:

J&J and AZ are both very much traditional vaccines - probably even more so than Novovax. 

They have a potential side effect I want to avoid

 

id be interested to hear why you think they’re more traditional than novavax though

[Alex 34938]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Well there's the precautionary principle and then there is sheer lunacy.. I suspect you have bought into some anti-vax bollocks about your DNA being altered and you fancy yourself as some Charrlton Heston hermit in post-dystopian zombie apocalypse. Is that about it? 

I’ve been exposed to it in my house for 3 weeks so I get the I Am Legend plaudits, thanks. (The Omega Man I know, but the book’s better). 

[Asprilla 96]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Well there's the precautionary principle and then there is sheer lunacy.. I suspect you have bought into some anti-vax bollocks about your DNA being altered and you fancy yourself as some Charrlton Heston hermit in post-dystopian zombie apocalypse. Is that about it? 

 

 

I don’t owe you any justification but it’s my body and my choice. A founding principle of medicine I believe.

[OTF 7286]

9 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

There are no long term studies on mRNA vaccines because they are new. That is why I don’t want to take one.

 

Vector vaccines have a relevant (to me) reported side effect.

 

There's many long term studies and countless evidence that being counter medicine has very bad long term health outcomes but hey, don't let that worry you at all.

[Asprilla 96]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

You make the claim but I have to Google it?

And then you admit it's a guess anyway. Righto.

You’re the one who wants proof 

 

i would have thought it’s pretty likely wouldn’t you?

[Asprilla 96]

1 minute ago, OTF said:

 

There's many long term studies and countless evidence that being counter medicine has very bad long term health outcomes but hey, don't let that worry you at all.

There are lots of different medicines

 

are you recommending people take all of the medicines?