PaddockLad 17067 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Pfizer ship them in freezer boxes with dry ice. As soon as they're put in they're good for up to ten days. The issue is our ability to have vaccines into people within 12 days of the vaccines entering the country. That should be manageable, we've had nine months to come up with a distribution plan. Cannot believe you've just posted that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Tongue firmly in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21231 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, NJS said: I agree to a point but if its correct that 99% of deaths are people over 50 and that's then skewed even further by age within that then I think doing over 80s first isn't a bad idea. We all want a sensible rollout with the aim of ending this as soon as possible but reducing the daily wince at the new deaths feels good to me. I know there's a lag on infections to deaths of course. Here's an interesting thought. Over 80s are most at risk but have least benefit as they have less life to live. I haven't got the data to do the calculations, but if you provided the vaccine using standard cost effectiveness methods, I am pretty sure we would not roll it out to this demographic first. I suspect the sweet spot in cost effectiveness is probably people aged around 60 years. Is this thinking unethical? Well its basically how we ration every other treatment in the NHS that gets the attention of NICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4365 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I don't think it's unethical at all - I think there's a huge difference between considered deliberations like that and the callous "they were going to die anyway" rhetoric of Telegraph columnists. As someone approaching your sweet spot I am keen to get it but I don't mind waiting a couple of months. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Apparently we're going to have 800,000 doses of the vaccine by next week. That's a pretty good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9717 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11304 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32713 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 It's got Maureen Lipman in there described as 'actor'. Shouldn't it be 'ex-actor' as the last thing I remember her appearing in* was those 'Ology' adverts for BT (?) around the late 80's? * Apart from the part she played in the removal of Jeremy Corbyn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32713 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) 'Top Quizzer' Judith Keppel. 'Panto star' Biggins. 'Scottish singer' Lulu. Is this from the Viz? Edited December 6, 2020 by Howmanheyman 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11304 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Judging by his photo, I'd skip giving Michael Parkinson the jab. I'll be surprised if he sees New Year looking at the state of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4365 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 If we're skipping any of that lot it has to be Eamonn Holmes. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21801 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: 'Top Quizzer' Judith Keppel. 'Panto star' Biggins. 'Scottish singer' Lulu. Is this from the Viz? Chat king Michael Parkinson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21801 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Sonatine said: Judging by his photo, I'd skip giving Michael Parkinson the jab. I'll be surprised if he sees New Year looking at the state of him. only thing he's king of these days is his care home by the looks of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32713 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Chat king Michael Parkinson 'Fund raiser' Bob Geldof "Is it forgetting about moi musical career now, is it?!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: It's got Maureen Lipman in there described as 'actor'. Shouldn't it be 'ex-actor' as the last thing I remember her appearing in* was those 'Ology' adverts for BT (?) around the late 80's? * Apart from the part she played in the removal of Jeremy Corbyn. I was about to jump in and say "I'll have you know I saw her in an off-West End musical a few years ago and very good she was too", then I remembered that was Sheila Hancock. (EDIT: Who is also not dead yet.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32713 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 'off-west end musical' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: 'off-west end musical' Sorry it wasn't the Tyne Theatre panto like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Come back to me when they get Lionel Blair on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11304 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Still reckon this was Lionel Blair's greatest ever appearance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Sonatine said: Judging by his photo, I'd skip giving Michael Parkinson the jab. I'll be surprised if he sees New Year looking at the state of him. Aye, just inject him with formaldehyde and save everyone the time and effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Chat king Michael Parkinson You can tell people are really famous when you have to remind the public what they do (did) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Alex said: You can tell people are really famous when you have to remind the public what they do (did) It's like impressionists who start each new voice with "I'm [name], and...". If you were any cop you wouldn't have to tell us. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-has-70-efficacy-full-trial-data-shows Not a good sign if you're having to pool data from different trials to get to 70% efficacy. Little evidence in over 55s and ineffective in nearly a 3rd of patients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11113 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-has-70-efficacy-full-trial-data-shows Not a good sign if you're having to pool data from different trials to get to 70% efficacy. Little evidence in over 55s and ineffective in nearly a 3rd of patients Even that is better than the flu vaccine, but shouldn't they be doing more trials on the half dose first option, if that is so good? I would have thought that, given it does not need the deep freezing of other vaccines, it still has a substantial role in combatting the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Piers Morgan is a horrible bastard, but he's the only person in the media I've heard properly call out Hancock, Gove and Boris on how poorly they've managed the pandemic. He's just absolutely slaughtered Gove to his face this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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